People who are tired of WOW will switch to GW2 and those who play GW will move to GW2. TESO is likely to be released around 6 to 9 months after GW2. This places GW2 as TESO's direct competitor, not WOW.

The timing of TESO's launch is a point in time where people who play GW2 have not yet exhaust it's contents, while at the same time, already invested significant time in it. So the key question is, can TESO overcome these disadvantages to steal players from GW2?

Both of them have PVP as the endgame content. The average person who plays GW2 will just be about PVP ready when TESO launches. So TESO PVP has to be miles better than GW2 PVP in order to compete. What we know is that Arenanet has a lot of experienced in PVP, tons and tons of experience from GW, tons and tons of GW2 PVP testing by formal top GW PVP players. We have no solid information on Zenimax Online's experience in balancing PVP, but it is not unfair to say it would be extremely unlikely for TESO to have a better balanced PVP than GW2.

At the visuals department, from what we have seem from the leaked TESO in game graphics, GW2 is directly superior. GW2 visuals serious looks far more like a TES game than TESO itself.

Finally, the subscription mode of GW2 is a huge draw, in that it has NONE. We do not have details of TESO's subscription model yet, but the very best they could do is simply equalize with GW2.

This is what I've been saying to people. I've also started a thread here http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1373039-teso-will-be-a-lot-like-guilds-wars-2-they-need-to-be-more-original/

Regards,
Eno

A little early to compare them. Many of us have tried GW2 in beta, but no one has seen TESO in any sort of action. I'll wait and see how they stack up when more info is available

Keep in mind that there is a WoW expansion coming out soon.

And that it took some lessons from GW2!

At the very least they should try to appeal to the large core of TES players. I dont even know if this game really does that.

Ultimately there is a fixed pool of players who are in the market for an MMORPG. And a percentage of those people will be trying to decide if GW2 is better or TESO is better.

This thread is here for an objective look at the what would influence the decision process for an informed purchaser one year down the road.

Fair enough. I'll admit as a former DAOC hardcoe fan, I was excited when I first heard about GW2. The three server end game pvp sounded interesting. However, if I can avoid having the annonymity of fighting other servers that magically rotate every two weeks and instead have a real war on a persistent map on my own server with real, persistent enemies? I'll go for that every time. Seriously the whole rotating server PVP and PVE-lite offered by GW2 sounds very different from what I think ZOS is going to deliver. I hope I'm right.

TESO is better in every single way.

how do you know?

im a huge supporter of the game from what i know of it already , but dont flat out say its better than anything.
its better than wow? yeah, probably. its HIGHLY probable it will be better than wow. but its a competitor to a next gen mmo. that doesnt make it better, its on equal footing. it has alot to prove if its going to be better. [im going to guess it will be very similar if not slightly weaker than guild wars 2.]

Not even close, TESO will most likely be just starting its "beta weekend events' around this time next year, and GW2 looks nothing at all like TES, TESO just looks like a more "colorfull" TES but still much more than GW2.

Actually we are not certain everyone will play on the same server in TESO or there will be regional restrictions and separated servers.

Inter-server guild vs guild or race vs race has more or less been the traditional approach. Server vs server is actually a new feature.

By colorful you mean cartoon wow style graphics vs the realistic style graphics we are used to. I dont see how that is a good thing

i agree with this to some extent. there should have been a faction system that had nothing to do with race, but ideology.
thats where guild wars 2 goes wrong, and where TES:O is going wrong imo.
the fact that we have our faction chosen for us when we pick our race is not very elder scrolls. my only issue with the 3 way faction system so far.

if only they made it to where you choose your faction based on principles and ideology. it makes no sense that EVERY khajiit would be fighting on the behalf of the aldmeri dominion.

GW2 doesn't even require people to subscribe. It's just you buy the game and you play it all you want. Seeing as no subscription for GW2, people don't have to worry about paying monthly. I don't see GW2 being a competitor if you're looking at it from people buying that game over TESO. I'm sure people have the time for both games. But if you were looking at a comparison of the gameplay of both GW2 and TESO, then we'll just have to wait.

My party somewhere near Riften: http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s25766/Guild_Wars_2_12791304822913.jpg

I like GW2, just can't stand the korean-mmo art design for the norn and humans, especially the females. Also the animations are a bit weird for those two as well. Charr own though.

What picture is that?

Actually that's the picture of GW2. I'm using it to illustrate just how much GW2's visuals look like Skyrim's.

You know, as a contrast to the leaked TESO screens of a bunch of people are fighting blue Infernals.

GW2 looks nothing like Skyrim, and i must have missed that pic, though i did see one of a few people fighting storm atronach's .

And also PvP experience from Lineage and AION. And they have more DAoC personnel than Zenimax.


I reckon most people wont see a big difference in graphics but yeah I guess Gw2 has way more particle effects. And the work ANet has done on optimizing this game is simply astounding. So not only it looks better, it will likely have lower requirements also.

Regardless, I think rivaling Gw2 visually will be the least of ZOS concerns, they need to rival it on gameplay terms.


If ZOS doesn't come up with something original, seems TESO will be a commercial failure. They need some special core mechanic and/or endgame content that separates TESO from other MMOs. And they'll need to make it subscription-free to have any chance to begin with. A decision they'll not like I'm sure but they'll be forced to make it. If not, they're only going to sell the first wave of copies and that's it. TESO wont have any long-term prospect when compared with its contenders.

We have yet to see what it's like, but GW2 brings a new chapter to MMO's, if TESO is following the old style grind til you die and quest til you drop MMO's it will die out in a year or 2.

As for me... I am done with TES after hearing this... Jumping on the MMO milking bandwagon? All my love and respect for you is gone~

It doesn't necessarily have to be subscription-free if they can provide something nobody else is providing. Eve continues to chug along with their monthly fee... one of the highest in the business, too. A Fantasy Eve? A Shadowbane with actual production values? Yeah, they could charge money for that. They wouldn't get the huge playerbase of a WOW clone, but they'd probably get a more loyal one.

You'll be back.

They always come back...

Exactly. However we are yet to see what TESO has to offer other than its IP.


That's because there is no MMO like Eve.

Regards,
Eno