I think the vast majority of us agree that dawnguard looks cool and "epic" for the most part. Some might think that some of it is aiming to be a little to much "epic" (undead purple flaming horse) but it's still cool for the most part.
Some of us care for the story though . A few might even know the lore and see problems with what has already established. Because Most people can see this as just a taking of ideas from Monster movies and throwing them into skyrim. Even things that should/could already be in the game (crossbows, Gargoyles, ugly vampires) seem to be added just because of how they are in these monster movies .

Also note that i am not [censored]ing about how castles appear from nowhere. Skyrim isn't to scale so New additions to land don't make anything worse. (Also-solthstiem Could have been to scale whilst Morrowind's vardenfell certaintly isn;t. That means that on a map of tamriel solthstiem would be tiny.


For one thing- The dawnguard. Yes it could be an ancient secret order that nobody writes about.. But many of us tire of that bull . Logically it should be a branch/descendant/Nickname for an already existing Anti-dead/daedra order such as Vigilants of stendar, order of arkay, Virtuous blood or at least people who worship meridia or azura. Perhaps someone formed the group very recently- But ancient orders that we've never heard of can [censored] off.


As for vampires
Firstly- An explanation as to why a few members of the Volkihar (In books- Ugly Vampires who Live under the ice in frozen lakes. ) are good looking and live in a castle. Furthermore it is to be expected that Some of them DO live In/near these lakes. How would they Get prey on an island castle?

Secondly- The vampire lord transformation- Needs an explanation on why most vampires can't use it. An explanation on how it works. Is it illusion, alteration, a transformation spell that you can use without being a vampire?

Thirdly the bats- Tes Vampires aren't associated with bats whatsoever (can't imagine ice vampires being much different). Thus far conjuration has always been of a single daedra or spirit and a few have been able to summon a limited amount of animals. Conjuration is also supposed to be more difficult when in charge of multiple creatures. It could be illusion Magic. Perhaps a single entity of vearmina's plane (nightmare daedra) origin. But just bats are stupid.




Would love some mithril, adamantium and werebear surprises. Perhaps a giant crab and dreugh. Those are in the lore! Surely giant crabs are more exciting than... Lots of things!!



And this is a nice post for "it's bethesda's lore they can do what they want with it" type people

It's already known to find the Dawnguard in the expansion you have to ask about rumors and people will tell you about the new guild of Vampire Hunters.

WEll, Beth is allowed to add to the lore of their own series if they want to.

Go and post that in the Lore forum and see what happens

Not to mention vampire lore has been extremely sorely lacking, with Immortal Blood and that one book about the original vampire being really he only 2 decent sources of lore about vampires. It's good that Bethesda is going to flesh some things about them, and I'm looking forward to Dawnguard. And I say this as a representative of the Lore Forums.

Also, there have always been vampires and vampire hunter groups since Daggerfall. This is not something pulled out of their butt.

Oh God no. Hell has no wrath like a PC gamer's scorn. (Screw women)

There will be those who see this as blasphemy..

back on topic, yes some may seem crazy or monster movie'ish but there have been vampire hunters and what not throughout tamriel history...
these may be more powerful and be able to do things other cannot because they have found a way to access this "soul cairn". And just because they live on an island doesn't mean they hunt there, a group of vampires that become a flock of bats could probably hunt the mainland easy enough.

Oh come on, we're not that bad. Sure, there are a few, but we're not all rabid.

lolol oh I know exactly what you mean...

Don't worry, I am a PC gamer. I just find that most PC gamers tend to be really whiney

it could be as simple as they got tired of living under a frozen lake and made a pact with [insert daedra lord here] to look better/or keep their true self hidden (the vamp lord would be the true form in this case) Also the only lore written about them would be a in-universe fiction book about a vampire hunter who beats the piss out of things with his hands and doesn't sleep

Well it's Elder Scrolls vampires, isn't that enough?

I don't see how vampires and hunters are any more silly or cliche than wizards and dragons.

On the subject of giant crabs, there is one already. Its just already dead.

Vampire Hunters have existed in almost every Elder Scrolls game.

The Tribunal Temple had an entire subfaction devoted to exterminating Vampires, there was also a group in Oblivion, poking around Skingrad for obvious reasons.

Exactly, in the grand scheme of things, TES is cliched fantasy (which isn't a bad thing if you're like me) I don't see why people would get defensive about vampires. Maybe Twilight just put a negitive stigma on vamps and werewolves. We need some badass Nosferatu (spelling?) remake to balance everything out.

And furthermore, the giant mudcrab in the gamejam bugs me to no end because its pincers are shaped (and used) more like a praying mantis than any crab I've ever seen.

I was a 360 player when started my TES experience, continued by be one till 2010, and that was well after I was very active in the lore forum.

Its Cliche because of all the so called knowledge about Vampires could very well be ruined in the DLC. Immortal Blood was not the only source but many had claimed some sort of Power that was unusable in said region... Cyrodiil Vampires were suppose to blend almost impossibly into Society (which Beth used as a starting point from Morrowind which you could not even be around people) and Yet you still had the insane aging effect and eyes.


Skyrim Vampires are suppose to have underwater breathing and able to form into mist along with coming out of the Ice and taking its prey under.

How this DLC could very well effect all this is by how many twists they make WITHOUT a proper explanation. Beth and many other gaming organizations have attempted to shroud it in mystery stating that it was a "secret" to everyone until the DLC was made and than became global...

Its a common cover up that role players cannot stand... Lore is everything... an off topic example; Can Flying Rats that shoot lasers from there eyes apear in Assassins Creed? The point is REALISM

Nope, but apparently, over in the world of http://twitter.com/DavidVonderhaar/status/208075688480227328

It's a secret to everybody.

Realism? No, I think the word you are looking for is plausibility. If it makes sense, and follows with what is already known, it works. If it's something ass pulled, it comes off extremely disjointed and wrong.

Shh! Nobody's supposed to know that.

The fact that it's a secret to everybody is supposed to a secret to... everybody.

My point is that you cannot expect adding random things that arent suppose to exist.. Yes Vampires exist in the Elder Scrolls but their powers and traits have been twisted and remade numerous times. I would agree books are just a misc clutter that doesnt play a role but Movarth proved me wrong on that

lol I mean the people ingame, like npcs

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