Playable? Roffle.

The UI works better on PC than it does in console. Horrible textures that your computer is too good for? So you expect a gaming company to design a game solely for the few people out there who have machines that are way too powerful for anything being made today, instead of making a game designed for the technology that most people have?

I guess the whiney PC gamer post back on the first page was pretty accurate.

Having a purpose and being reliable are to very different things. The writer had a purpose no doubt, but that doesn't mean he is reliable. By the writing we could assume that this writer is a vampire from Cyrodiil as the man said he had not found one and the writer smiled and killed the man... making it seem that he was one. Now how much could a Cyrodiil vampire really know about a Skyrim vampire. There is no proof that a vampire will be friendly with another one of a different orgin. Now this second man, he says they can reach through ice. How reliable is he? I would think a human and that is searching for a vampire has no idea what he is getting into or would know what he really seen during a time when he was scared and somewhat paranoid.

Its "Establised" vampire lore is make-shift at best... yes th*ere are books on the matter but there are many book and such in the game that are hevily based or cannot be agreed, see The Talos Mistake.. books in-game are true only for give value of truth.
Immortal Blood for example was written by a Vampire from a different clan, Vampire Clans/Breeds fight and war all the time.
And as i said these "Clichéd" Vampires dont come from the movies but from the same source as the movies, and in fact the reason why they become "clichéd" is beccause they are used alot because they work well... Why is everyone some worried about damn cliché when its simply a word for tried and tested.

THIS

I am personally just annoyed with the fact that vampires can change into bats, kinda weird for TES lore and very cliche in other media.

This.

Also your logic is flawed about bethesda wanting $$$$ without any regard for there fans, why the hell are they giving free content and constantly patching skyrim up Longknife?

It's not contradictory if there's nothing to contradict it.

Also, let's assume for a second you're right and the book is false. There's no evidence then that the author is actually a vampire at all. It's anonymous, and if you think it's foolish to believe the content in it (if written by a vampire) is true, it's equally foolish to believe that the book was actually written by a vampire if the information he's given is false.


Not true. Immortal Blood doesn't say anything about the Cyrodiilic bloodline being unique in its ability to blend.

"I told him what I could. There was but one tribe in Cyrodiil, a powerful clan who had ousted all other competitors, much like the Imperials themselves had done. Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons. They were cultured, more civilized than the vampires of the provinces, preferring to feed on victims while they were asleep, unaware."

It doesn't say it's an unique ability, only an ability they are highly skilled in.

*gulp* umm...maybe The Order cleared the castle then these new guys just appeared from nowhere? dear god beth do not [censored] up the volkihar like this

Good hes gone....

You guys are trying to justify the retconning seen here in Skyrim by referencing past retcons and saying "see retcons are supposed to happen!!!"


No, they're not. That's exactly the problem. You can sit here and pretend "that's Bethesda's style, you see?" but no that's BS. That's what they'd like you to believe to justify the retcons, but the reality is they have no clue what they're actually writing so they end up contradicting themselves. The reality is they're bad writers and it comes off as frustrating for the "readers." We'd like this to stop.


Good writing where sources are intentonally unreliable? (AKA, the writing style you guys say Bethesda is going for) Provide opposing opinions to send the message the sources aren't reliable. Vukodlak, your example is just another retcon, not a book source.
Bad writing? A sole opinion provided within the lore is proven false by in-game events with no clues as to why or how.


The reader is supposed to be left bread crumbs to follow so they can say "OOOOOH this is how it happened." If you want to leave five different bread crumb trails and only one trail is correct, or portions of each of the five trails add up to create the true path? That's perfectly fine. But what Bethesda is doing it they make ONE trail leading north and then we follow it, then next game they say "OOPS SORRY THAT TRAIL LED NOWHERE, TURNS OUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAD SOUTHEAST FOR NO APPARENT REASON." That's bad writing.

It's something new and there's always going to be people saying the new thing is "cliche" or "stupid".

I for one think it's an interesting theme.

Now your just ranting...

If we don't believe the book was written by a vampire, then there is even less reason to believe the remainder of the content. If we believe the book was written by a vampire then we must accept that vampire has every reason to lie. If the author was a Priest of Azura and the information provided differently I would call it a more reliable source. But when the subject is vampires and the source claims to be a vampire I just won't trust it.

And a contradiction already existed, in Daggerfall we had nine vampire clans each and everyone could walk freely in human cities at least at night when they wouldn't combust. Immortal Blood acts like they Cyrodiil strain is somehow unique in that ability. Immortal Blood was already a contradiction the moment it was written into Oblivion.

He simply can't grasp the idea that the in-game books are suppose to be like real life books, fallible. That the point of Elderscrolls lore is we can't be sure, we can't be positive until we see it for ourselves.

Plus has NO ONE thought that this book may just be Folklore? This book could have been written during a time when vampires or something was a problem and an author used creative expression during a volital time or used this as way inform others of the growing vampire problem in the game lore. It's an anonymous writer, it could literally mean anything or be written for anything, but it's not reliable at all.

Not realy. His posts appear more valid than yours.

Bloody mosquitos. Damn, they're irratating. Couldn't they have called the pest exterminators instead?

Let's all calm down here folks..

No, your biased, since you've created another thread exactly like this one which started numerous flame wars...

Or you're just being Cynical and we're not heading Southeast for no reason but for reasons such as Good Gameplay, To improve or develop lore and perhaps even explain why we dont know exactly how it is.. and this word "retconning" which you seem to be addicted in using requires established facts, which is something the Vampire Lore of TES isn't.

You know what I've decided? The Book of the Dragonborn is totally unreliable. We have no idea who Prior Emelene Madrine is, for all we know, he could be a vampire who gets kicks out of giving people misleading information. This means that Dovahkiin isn't actually Dragonborn but some kind of new magic or whatever, probably bestowed upon him by Mehrunes Dagon to get back at Akatosh. It makes the Dragonborn super powerful and power-hungry (just like Mehrunes Dagon himself) and makes him hallucinate and think Alduin is a bad guy, when in reality he's not. Thus all of the game is but a hallucination of the Dragonborn; he's actually an unknowing pawn of Dagon. The Dragonborn would slay Akatosh's first born and Dagon would have his revenge for the events of Oblivion.

I mean, the Book of the Dragonborn is just one book. That's not trustworthy at all.

On the Dawnguard - not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Dawnguard seem very modern with their crossbows and armor. I'd imagine they're new.

The book of dragonborn is backed up by things see with our own eyes thus we can trust it as a relilable source. Immortal Blood from an admittingly unreliable source a vampire talking about vampires. It is contraindicated with what we've seen in this game and previous games so that means the book isn't reliable.

Explain to me Longknife, lets say vampire were real. Would you trust someone who claims to be a vampire as a reliable source on information about vampires. No because your not foolish, so why would you trust an in-game vampire about vampires.

Hey guy's just wanna say Flying banana's can talk, i love you all, Cant wait till dawnguard

now THATS ranting