Sorry, double post.

Well, you described him as:



That's pretty much the definition of altruism.

You're right, I do have certain beliefs in regard to human nature. I still don't see him as neutral though. Interfering with no one unless it clashes against your dreams and plans is rather selfish. Particularly if that neutrality is to preserve his position of power. Ultimately only seeing how the game plays out will prove which of our viewpoints are correct but allow me to end with a few choice quotes.

If you don't know who any of these people are look them up. Seriously. Please do so.

In fact, screw it, I'll tell you and anyone else who they are.



“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Bishop Desmond Tutu
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Sydney Peace Prize, Gandhi Peace Prize, Presidential Medal of Freedom, and Pacem in Terris Award (named after a letter that calls upon all people of good will to secure peace among all nations),

“Neutrality is at times a graver sin than belligerence.”

Louis De Brandeis
Was on the Supreme Court, known as "The People's Lawyer," according to legal historian Anthony Lewis, scholars have lauded Brandeis's opinion "as perhaps the greatest defense of freedom of speech ever written by a member of the high court," has a school named after him Brandeis University, and a law school University of Louisville's Louis D. Brandeis School of Law

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”

Dante Alighieri
Wrote the Divine Comedy, aka Dante's Inferno...as well as Dante's Purgatorio and Dante's Paradiso

“I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

Elie Wiesel
Holocaust Survivor, Auschwitz and Buchenwald in particular. Created the Wiesel Foundation.
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Congressional Gold Medal, Dayton Literary Peace Prize, and several honorary high level degrees

Should've mentioned he wrote Night. Most people would know him from there.

DAMMIT! I meant to. Good book. Sad book. Now I'm sad. Remembering the part about the raining ashes.

I only recognized Wiesel and Dante, but perhaps I've misread, but all of those opinions seem to say 'Opressor' which usually implicates morality in the phrase. I don't hate morales, I always play as the Very Good guy, but I guess the to put it this way. If you were around during World War 2, and you knew Hitlers wars and etc, he has no desire to kill you, you're country asks 'Help us slay this oppressors.' But if you say 'It's not my fight, I don't care much, I am not involved, nor will I pick a side' You piss off your country. But you side with your country, you piss off the other side, and you risk your life for a cause you do not believe in. But to be fair, Neutrality in that situation, you'll still make a foe of someone. My point is this, Neutrality is a matter of concept, much like God or interpretations of good and evil.

This is the alarm warning me of upcoming spoilers in thread titles. I think I'll just stay out of this section until I've had plenty of experience playing the game. :bolt:

Only two of them contain the word Oppressor.

Also, if you don't believe in the cause of stopping a genocide I don't think you're neutral. I don't think you could possibly be anything other than horridly evil if you're okay with genocide.

it's not a question of 'genocide' Neutrality in all roots, seems to have basis in self- centeredness, and if you're not affected by genocide (Heritage, safe country etc) It'd likely imply you have nothing to gain by helping, only losing. Bugh, I dont know. It's 2:09 AM. My logic isnt sound in my deprived sleep state. :wacko:

Meh, this is probably not the best forum (hey it actually is a forum I made a pun!) for this discussion anyway.

Plus it's horridly off topic...although I hope mods don't delete it because it's rather interesting (and educational too!)


In regard to House...

We don't know if he's a robot and I will be massively disappointed if he is. Massively, massively disappointed.

Dude was frozen. Pretty sure this has been said dozens, if not millions, of times.

And I doubt Obsidian would use things like the Commonwealth and androids anyway. They're an east coast Bethesda thing.

I have to agree here, we already had that kind of twist in Fallout before (President Eden in Fallout 3, for example.) and I'd like to see something else in New Vegas, and in any case, I don't think the fact that there are pictures of robots on the House themed cards means he is an android, after all, we already know that he controls the robots that guard New Vegas, it may just be that he doesn't have any humans working for him and just has robots doing his work. In other words, he would be a human mastermind controlling robots, it would seem to make sense to me, and if indeed that woman is an adroid, then I'd say he probably just has a few androids in his service as well because he wanted something that would at least look and feel human, after all, metal automatons don't really make for the most satisfying company, I'd imagine.

hes andrew ryan, they look alike, yes howard hughes also looks like andrew ryan. its a conspiracy theory!
i tell yah when we first meet mr. house hes going to say: "would you kindly shoot yourself in the head"

in a interview they said that mr house was cryptology frozen

House has been described as a Howard Hughes type on multiple occasions, it would take some seriously advanced AI to pull off that persona.

This was in the Vault article on Mr House

"Mr. House was born and lived before the Great War. Before the Great War commenced, he was somewhat of an expert in the field of cryogenic science and robotics. He supposedly froze himself and waited in stasis for a long amount of time (which is the reason he's over 200 years old) until he was woken up and emerged into a city that was falling apart. He is an elusive man, and also plays a big part in why New Vegas was not directly hit by the nuclear devastation."

I don't know their source but food for thought.

Why do people put spoilers in thread titles? If it turns out to be true im not really going to be surprised by it now..

I can't bring myself to give a [censored] about plot or plot points or plot holes or any other word combination starting with the word plot. Plot is almost entirely irrelevant, it is what you do with a plot that defines your ability as a writer. This is why most films that rely on plot gimmicks are garbage (M. Night, I'm looking at you). In other words: if knowing a "spoiler" ruins the game for you, it wasn't a good game to begin with. I highly doubt this will be the case with New Vegas.

All we can really say is maybe. House is so mysterious that he could be a purple Super Mutant with Cazadore wings and we wouldn't find out until the game shipped. Let's just chalk this one up as a crazy possibility.

You cannot compare an open world RPG game to a movie at all. Its not even close to being the same experience. Are you really trying to claim that playing an RPG for the first time isnt the best experience of all playthroughs?

What I'm saying is plot isn't the Holy Grail of narrative, whatever the media. And you are right, they aren't the same. But they aren't as different as some would like to think. It took a long time for film criticism to advance, because it was a new media and people didn't anolyze it like they do literature. The same is now true for gaming. The rules are different, but the theory behind the rules is the same. A story is a story.

Why would House freeze himself if he's an android?
I think he's a cyborg. (Pacemaker)

cryo-frozen human ftw. android in disguise ftf.

nothing could be simpler than the above statement haha

plus, looking at the cards and seeing mr.house's (potential) portrait, you have to remember very people know what he looks like, because he stays isolated IIRC. that could be someones interpretation. and while hes supposed to be based on Howard Hughes, doesnt mean physically...could be personality-wise also

House isn't an android, he's a shape shifter from the Delta Quadrant!

Not that we would be able to tell the difference if he was.

To bad the modelling involved with creating a shape-shifting NPC is so difficult - might be a fun mod to make!

It would be such a terrible theory that they planed to show Mr.house as a robot (just like Master in fallout 1 or that stupid D.C president that I don't remember his name) It is so old and can't be a shock for fans and players! and that's not a good reason because of a picture you say yey that's a robot! It can make a sense that all those who we can see in the picture are from same group and Mr.house's guys that we have to kill or sth ! I disagree your theory