1.they tried to take Vegas for caps how does that make him bad?
2.He gave them 95% of the dams power while he got 5% I say that a good bargin for ncr
3. No choice to kill him? They truied to take Vegas for caps
he coporated with them until they got gredy and wanted to take vegas!

House dwells on too much about his pre-war empire and accompaniments, he doesn't learn from the great war nor form his vision from the wasteland.

The arguement that all he needed was the platinum chip to take out the legion in the first place doesnt hold any water because the fact is he didnt have it, and if it wasn't for the ncr the legion would have over run vegas easy as anything. After ncr defended the dam for all that time and house sat in his tower watching its hard to blame them for wanting to take vegas away from him.
Maybe if he had met with the ncr and explained what his plan was with the securitrons then they could have come up with a new treaty, or maybe even a merger with the two armys things could have been different but instead of that he wants ncr to boot the legion out once and for all then show up with his army before the smoke even starts to clear.

What decided it for me was the reasons I got from yes man for one of Mr Houses actions. I may use C4 next time.

Why should he 'learn' from the Great War? If anything, his hypothesis about governments was proven that Saturday the bombs fell. I'd say he has the right idea. He learned, and he moved on to restoration. he's a progressive mind. Rebuild what should be. How is his vision to fix Vegas to Pre-War splendor so wrong?

I was hoping you'd come to this thread :vaultboy:

Actually, he spent most of those 200 years waiting dormant. New Vegas was up and running in less than a decade. Also, he can't really leave his tower.

I went with the independant ending and am happy with it for the most part, just needed some minor tweaks.

Wiped out the Legion, persuaded the NCR to ****** off ............. overall a nice result.

Tweaks needed: I didn't eliminate the Powder Gangers, so that was one bit I wasn't happy with at the end. I'm going to see if there's a better brain for Rex (used one I already had (Violetta) from killing Fiends).

Can't wait to play it again :teehee:

Thanks for the help

What I can't figure out about House is exactly what he plans on doing with McCarren, Freeside, and the other NCR outposts he's ordering the NCR to leave. The Securitrons are self-sustaining, so they don't need a military base, and House has no real interest in keeping order outside New Vegas, because that's where his money comes from. It would make far more sense for him to let the NCR retain their territory (thus sending their soldiers and civilians to drop caps on the strip) and allowing them to keep order everywhere else.

THE FUTURE AS I SEE IT:

House wins: Order and civilization in the strip and maybe Freeside, as well as Hoover Dam, mayhem everywhere else. House might exterminate the fiends, but will have little interest in keeping order outside areas that will fill his pockets.

Yes-Man wins: Mayhem and anarchy pretty much everywhere.

NCR wins: Semi-civilization throughout the wasteland. The NCR is not as competent at keeping order as Mr. House is, but they support democracy and rule of law.

Caesar wins: Civilizatuion through the wasteland, but accompanied by barbaruic customs like slavery, oppression of women, and atrocities like the Nipton lottery.

I believe that House would actually show interest in the outlying areas of the Mojave. Sure, most of his influx of caps come from the Strip itself, but there are plenty of ways to make more profit outside of the strip. You have 2 casinos in Primm which could make plenty of profit, due to travelers of the road. And you have plenty of areas in Freeside that could be turned into profit, like the Atomic Wrangler for instance. I reccomend you read Colonel Martyrs Fan Fiction. He gives a good idea of what the Mojave would be like under the rule of Mr. House.

False, if Primm becomes lawless then he sends a securitron to Primm to protect it.

By protect, do you mean clean?

No with protect I mean protect.

The question of whom to side with is an interesting question. Bethesda did an OK job here in depicting some of life’s real choices. I can’t remember the last time I didn’t hold my nose when I pulled the lever in the voting booth.

House is capitalism in it’s rawest form and unregulated the big only get bigger at the expense of everyone and everything else.

Yes Man is anarchy. The freedom part sound nice but like unregulated capitalism its survival of the fittest and the week will suffer.

The Legion are religious fanatics. Enough said.

The NCR are, and I’m not actually sure of this, a representative democracy. It’s often far from perfect but it does offer the best chance of survival of the masses.

I beg to differ, listen to the many NCR citizens flooding East. Times are hard in NCR, most of the Prospectors are said to be NCR citizens saluaging just to make ends meet. Kimball will inextricably doom NCR. He and all his higher ups are warhawks who institute Jingoist acts on nations that won't bend over and let the NCR take their land, if Kimball wins, he'll keep on doing it, draining NCR of both money and resources. If the NCR loses to House but beats Caesar, they get a punch on the nose and learn to behave, if NCR lose to the Legion, then they are likely doomed to a financial if not governmental collapse.

On another note, in regards to House, you're right, he's the pinnacle of Lessaiz Faire business. But since House seeks to only control the Vegas region, we can predict stability and order. Why? Considering House owns a small region in contrast to NCR and Caesars Legion, he has no need to fear stabalising a massive state, just a few counties or so. Also, House being a Pre-War educated financial and technical genius, he can easily back the Vegas region flourish in a sort of renaissance of old world technology, education and business. NCR seems to be more about spreading their false propoganda and having land.

Yeah the ncr has fallen on hard times, there in the middle of whats probably the biggest conflict since the great war. Once the legion is pushed out of the mojave though thats probably it for expanding, there not going to take the fight to the legion on there own turf and as far as we know theres no other power west of the river that can rival the ncr. And really there isnt a reason to keep expanding, once they get control of the strip thats going to jump start the economy well enough to recover from the war.

And the second point of House only wanting the vegas area, thats part of my reason for siding against him. All the good that vegas can do for the ncr and he wants to keep it away for what reason? He says he can do all this good but like I said so far all he's done is rebuild the strip when the areas around it still are struggling just to keep there heads above the water. Dont tell me what you can do, show me. Long term ncr is best for the entire region, not just one very samll part of it like house is.

Go with the Yes Man, then you don't have to kill the BoS or other Factions you like, it all up to you. Me personally, has killed every faction/town/settlement/building excluding the BoS and the Casinos. :dmc: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun: :fallout:

Go with the Yes Man, then you don't have to kill the BoS or other Factions you like, it all up to you. Me personally, has killed every faction/town/settlement/building excluding the BoS and the Casinos. :fallout:

''Once the legion is pushed out of the mojave though thats probably it for expanding'' Are you trolling? The NCR never stops expanding, that's the NCR's thang!

It is clearly shown in the ending slides that Mr. House doesn't ignore other locations in the Mojave wasteland, the prime example being Primm. If Primm becomes lawless Mr. House sends a Securitron to Primm to protect it.

Beg your pardon? House doesn't want to keep The Strip nor it's glory away from NCR, he merely want's to ensure he is recognized to his rightful claim. As House says 'Why would I want to go to war with the NCR? They're my best customers." "The more salient issue is that THEY would go to war with ME." and "The only reason NCR hasn't attempted to justify some outrage to invade the strip is because they were afraid, not of me, but the Legion. Afraid that attacking me would leave them vulnerable to a Legion offensive."

In short, those lines point out that House is truly Obstensively neutral, all he want's is to run his business and to be left alone. House's problem ,which he recognizes, is if the NCR wins on their terms, he is doomed to a war with NCR. Why? Imagine the NCR a hungry dog, and Vegas a cut of prime roast beef. Now, in the NCR's eyes, it's ripe for the eating. However, House is saved Vegas, he has plans for it. Also, you ask for proof, but House has already GIVEN you proof of what he can do. Before House emerged, Vegas was an anarchic city filled with death and lawlessness as well as flickering street lights if that. When House emerged, in just seven years, he has restored The Strip into functioning order. Functioning lights, fresh water, comfort, ease, and luxury. Not only that mind you, but he also re-habilitated three of the largest tribes into civilized people, each faction reminiscent of Pre-War Vegas before the war. The rich, the 'cool guys' IE the Chairmen, and La Cosa Nostra. Also, his securitrons keep a stable and lawful society. Now, imagine if House is the man who emerges victorious at Hoover Dam. NCR wins against the Legion, House wins the Dam, and Caesar will likely die of his tumor, and Lanius possibly killed.

Now is one of the real questions you ask most likely, 'How does Mr. House controlling Hoover Dam make good for all? Because in short, House is a technological genius, between when you help House take the dam and when you speak to Oliver, Oliver even states, 'You sure got the dam beating in new ways, but that just makes me want all of it, not hand outs.' So within MINUTES, House hase gotten Hoover Dam running to full capacity. House likely reignites his economic empire he lost 200 years ago, NCR learns a valuable lesson in behavior, and the Legion loses.

Anarchy? I think that's an overstatement.

And it is not unregulated, there are many areas where the people themselves have brought law and order to their communities. Those who want to live that way would migrate to those areas.

Survival of the fittest? Perhaps, to a degree; but that is the kind of world they are living in; to imagine it to have Wasteland-wide unemployment benefits, care for the old and infirm is utopian. The NCR did bring some region wide stability, but at a cost. And it was fractured, inconsistent and only truly serving the areas that served the NCR's own interests.

I think the region would flourish better with independance; like-minded people getting together in communities, creating stability in that community, forging trade links with other communities and so on: and all without the self-interested, militaristic, heavy hand of the NCR.

If the NCR had truly brought stability regionwide, then I'd consider your argument; but they didn't. The roads are unsafe, food, power and water was restricted to certain areas - hey, they didn't even get the Powder Gangers out of Primm, which the Courier did single-handed whilst they sat in their tents boozing and whining.

Naw, for me it has to be the Independant route, it fits better.

I maintain that Yes Man will eventually become self aware. "Being more assertive" = I will begin to decide how to run NV on my own.

House has either encoded himself into Yes Man's programming, or Yes Man will be an totally unique self aware A.I. like John Henry Eden.

Whether he'd let NV be independent for long is debatable.

Each faction is a "roll of the dice" regarding the outcome. . .except Lanius's Legion. He's just brutish and evil.

Think about what you said for a while.. Would Mr. House really want to destroy Vegas, even after he died? No.
When you kill Mr. House his securitrons hand out obituaries. This means that Mr. House is capable of programming his robots to do an action after he died. This means he didn't programm the securitrons to kill everyone on the Strip. Mr. House is so focused on progress that he doesn't care if he dies in the process, or whether someone takes control he doesn't want to take control.

Wha? I never said that House/Yes Man would destroy NV. I said that Yes Man would become self aware and the final outcome of which NV is better (House/Yes Man/Legion/NCR) is left vague at the end of the game. Each ending has its pros and cons.

My point was that the "wild card" ending ends with Yes Man in control - which is a complete unknown. Who knows how a self aware A.I. will choose to run the town?

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Perlman's narration of the "Independent" Vegas is pretty much BS in 99.9% of the cases, because the player him/herself will determine its outcome. Yes-Man might be the interface, but the player runs the show, and he/she will determine the outcome.

For instance, as a friend to the NCR, it is highly unlikely that I would require the NCR to leave the Mojave. I would allow them to retain McCarren, Helios, and the dam, as long as I got the 5% of the power output I wanted. And, I would explain to them that the Followers were not to be interfered with under any circumstances, and that they were to leave Hiden Valley and Red Rock Canyon alone. Additionally, I would offer terms of alliance if the Legion were to return. And of course, I would try to find a way to deprive House of direct control without killing/totally isolating him; he might be an arrogant SOB, but he's a genius and a visionary, and such a man would be an invaluable asset. In many instances, though, the game forces you to do things that you might normally not do.

Would this work? I think so. After all, the general consensus is that if house wins, his hundreds of Mark II Securitrons are so powerful, he can take all of their territory from them, and wrest total control of the dam as well, and destroy their economy by charging exorbitant rates for water and power, all without fear of either military or economic reprisal. Offered far more generous terms, I think that the NCR would gladly fall into line.