It said I've doomed Mankind when I killed/disabled House? Why? Is that awful cold ***** really mankind's best hope?

I don't fancy going the NCR route cos they're, well, too 'miliary' for my tastes - all that expansionist strategy has them stomping all over the people they claim to be helping.

Caesar's out the question - I'm a female in RL for a start!!! And well, he's just such a *****.

So I figured I'd probably go the independant route with Yesman, but kept my options open.
All 3 (Yesman, NCR and Caesar) want House out the way, so I thought ok I'll start with that. Whichever faction I finally went with, he'd got to go.

But then that awful message came up, about dooming mankind.

I loaded an earlier save and gave him the chip and the first thing he insists I do is wipe out the Brotherhood????
OK they're a bunch of ********* and all, that but not evil. And Veronica has been one of my main companions (I'm ranged so her skills compliment mine well).

I want a "good" ending for mankind, but I don't want to wipe out the Brotherhood.

So, can anyone clarify for me how I'd be dooming mankind by killing House?

well, you wouldn't be dooming mankind, you'd be dooming New Vegas / Mojave

*Spoilers* (too lazy to use my mouse to make a spoiler code thing)
I know Veronica is awesome, and you can actually make her leave the Bro'hood and you can help her become a member of the Followers of the Apacolypse. She has this personal quest in which she is questioning the Bro'hood's goals and means and stuff. Then she'll explain what could convince the Bro'hood to listen to her but eventually they are not going to listen to her and then Veronica is sad . Then you can make her become a member of the Followers of the Apacolypse.

Other then that, just slaughter the Bro'hood. IMO in Fallout: New Vegas Veronica is the only cool thing about the Bro'hood.

Isn't that just the note that says that though, and didn't he write that himself. The last best hope for humans in fallout is courier six and the yes man, the yes man doesn' t make you harm anyone that you don't want to.

Yeah, I did her personal quest chain and she left them, and yeah she is the only cool thing about the Bro'hood, I just don't really want to wipe them out, like foreverrrrr

I dont really see how house is the best choice either, like Veronica said look at freeside, the strip may be nice but in 200 years thats all he's rebuilt but im supposed to believe in another 100 years he can have people in orbit? Cmon man get real, the courier is doing all his dirty work while he sits up there in his tower and gloats. I want to help mankind out here, and if that means the ncr gets his precious little strip that most people cant even get into anyway, then I guess thats just gonna have to be the way it is. If you care so much about progress send a few securitrons into outer vegas, clean it up, and start employing some of those people to build a actual city instead of just leaving them there to rot in filth like he is now.

Ahhhhhh, :lightbulb:, well of the 2 ***** (him and the Bro'hood), I'd rather eliminate him

You're actually not dooming it, that note is a showcase for House's ego. If you read the end of it, while keeping in mind your experiences in various encounters, you'll realize that House is utterly clueless about the people he claims to be saving and dismisses them as a bunch of ignorant savages. He even has it automated to updated the date of death, implying he thinks people are actually going to give a damn.

He's so wrapped up in his 'vision' that he cannot see that what the people of the Mojave really need right now is someone who can assure them of safety and supplies, which his plans do not incorporate. He's thinking in terms of advanced industry when the region is barely up to cottage-level manufacturing methods. Granted there is the Vegas Steel smelting works, but it's unlikely anyone in the area actually knows how to operate them (it's not as simple as it looks), and even if they did, the main use for them in the current circumstances would be as rifle and ammo presses.

In fact, you might even be doing mankind a favor by killing House, although it's not that simple as he does have a lot to offer if he could be persuaded to put his ego aside in favor of sharing his technology and (perhaps more importantly, depending on how you resolve things in certain quests) knowledge with everyone else in order to stabilize the region before attempting any of his grandiose (for the current circumstances, at least) plans.

And yeah thats his own obituary he writes, he even insults the people in vegas at the end of it to boot.

Well said

Ya, the first time i read it I flipped [censored]. But then Caeser said something about him 'Having a high opinion about himself', and I laughed at his dead body.

I hadn't realised it was a note - must have missed it. THANKS everyone, I'll scour his pad more carefully and read it.

THIS HAS REALLY HELPED - thanks guys :):)

OH!!! What a plonker I am - a note on my Pipboy LOL ooops :whistling:

You won't find it anywhere in his digs, it's added to your Misc section under Data after you deal with him in the manner of your choosing. You receive it regardless of whether you disconnect or kill him, since either option removes him from further consideration.

Keep in mind he lacks empathy towards other people and has a ego the size of a Zeppelin. Like Caesar he thinks that he's the Messiah and going to save the world from itself because people are too stupid to work it out on thier own, the "dooming humanity" thing is strictly his opinion. To him people are merely objects that are ignored unless they block the path to what he wants.....in which case he destroys them. He's better than Caesar, but not by a lot unless you're strong enough to stand up to him and his Robot armies.

erm, what he did with New Vegas took him 7 years, not 200

''the courier is doing all his dirty work while he sits up there in his tower and gloats''
yeah I agree, the The House Always Wins quest line should be like this:
- Courier meets Mr. House
- Mr. House tells Courier that he (Mr. House) has alreadye done everything
- Second Battle of Hoover Dam.

and in the Mr. House ending slides it is clearly shown he sends securitrons to outer Vegas.

I found the ending of his obituary quite humorous to be honest

Ok my bad, so to correct myself he didnt do anything at all for almost 200 years. There that actually does sound better, maybe after 200 more years we can really start expanding, im looking at you over there Novac.

in his dialogue it is explained that he's been in a coma for decades and he's had technical issues which kept him from doing actual work

Yeah for decades, not centuries.

*facepalm*
you really think he's been sitting there all day doing nothing?

He must be trolling on a forum.

*shakes head*
He didnt take real action until the ncr showed up trying to use the dam and suddenly he wasnt the biggest kid on the block anymore.

Actualy its rather clear he can and does do what he says he will. He also does indeed understand people you just are thinking of the wrong people when he talks about wastelanders...

I actually hate going against Mr.House. Mr.House does have a high opinion of himself, but he is a cool cat. He doesn't care what happens to Benny, he doesn't care about money(he blew over 800,000 caps last year alone searching for the chip) and he doesn't need power(he has his Securitrons). Mr.House does have a vision for the future. The NCR is a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats and the Legion's intentions are the same as Houses, except more cruel and want power. If House can blow 800,000 caps on a search team, imagine what he could do for the wasteland! Mr.House wants NOTHING to do with the NCR vs Legion fight, he got dragged into it. The Legion wants the Strip to be their capital, and the NCR want it to reclaim it for themselves. Mr.House even gave the NCR the Hoover Dam. It must svck to be Mr.House, he is an enemy to everyone, yet he doesn't want enemies. He even clearly says when asked why he hates the NCR he says " I wouldn't have a problem If they would stop trying to take Vegas from me" (not exact quote but accurate) Sorry for my little tangent, but I don't see why people can't leave House alone. I call the greed card.

Greed? If it weren't for the NCR, House would be svcking Caeser's boot right now. The only thing that kept House and his tribes from getting rolled over was the Nevada Desert Rangers appealing to the NCR's president. House's grand dreams of space colonization through [censored] houses and casinos wouldn't be possible if it weren't for the NCR military and Rangers stopping the Legion advance. How does he repay them, after not negogating for 4 years? He kicks them out of the region after the heavy losses they've suffered, while charging them out the ass for power! The NCR had no choice but to kill House, it's not as if he'd come to the baragining table. And those who say he had no reason to neg., but then in the same breath say House is a great admin aren't even making sense.

Mr.House did indeed need NCR as they stalled the Legion, but even then all he needs is the platinum chip. He could be considered unreasonable for not negotiating with NCR, but how much more do they need? House gave them the dam and only requested 5% of its power. The NCR needs everything. I personally believe the only reason House has to die for NCR is because of the [censored] Col. Moore, every time she wants a tribe dealt with, it's with Death. Oh, kill Mr.House! Kill the Khans! Kill the Brotherhood! Kill the Kings!

Killing House nets negative karma, getting a peace treaty with the Brotherhood nets you negative rep, siding with Crocker about the King's gets Crocker in trouble and I believe he loses his job.


I think it would be extremely chill if I could pop a cap into Moore's head, get Hsu to take over and talk to him instead! Or for Legion, convince Caesar(not Lanius) that taking over the Strip but allowing House to live would be more profitable. That way, only dealing with Lanius or Yes Man requires his death.(unless you want him dead, not everybody likes him)