http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eokdHSzhAY

Watch this.

He basically admits that they start off with the fallout 3 engine and start re-writing from there...after re-writing more than they originally than they wanted to they just went ahead and renamed/branded it their own. Watch from 2:50 -3:58ish. How many times does he say re-written? It's Fallout 3's engine re-written and then dubben creation engine. It's not new. I guess if you re-write something so much...it's new? Or is it a heavily modded Fallout 3 engine? Take your pick.

You wanted a quote, I found you a video (so I can't mis-quote anything).

Todd has been rolling these fanbots for a decade now. they just keep eating it up.

you guys never heard of marketing?
nerds gotta have something to be "right" about I guess

in any case, are you trying to deny the fact that this engine is a vast improvement over anything oblivion could produce despite some very minor flaws carrying over?
or do you just like nitpicking little unimportant details for the heck of it?

I never fell for the "new engine" bit. I read through the lines. Like my previous post. He admitted rewriting the fallout 3 engine so much that they just said screw it....lets call it something else.

Now this is what I call OWNED.


OT:Of course they were lying, its marketing.
Game developers always lie when theyre trying to advertise their new game.

Its shameful but theres nothing we can do about it.
This is exactly why you should never preorder games, no telling what the final product will be.

Is like watching monkeys picking for nits. I gotta get the heck outta here.....

http://www.elderscrolls.com/community/welcome-back-elder-scrolls/

This is also Todd Howard saying that they started off with the old engine and ended up rewriting a lot or most of it. (in the third paragraph)

It's just Gamebyro with the GFX side updated to 2007 standards. Seems more stable from where I'm sitting at least.

If you guys want to see a [censored] game on release day, go play Dice's games, lol

No. It isn't a new version, it's a new car.

I thought BF3 release went great...

Well, it's new, just created by the same people, so...not so much.

Battlelog crashed for a lot of people including I. I got stuck playing the dry SP for a day...


OT:

Almost every interview I saw Todd said it was new, but in a few he said it was modified. So the car example could be applied. 2010 Camre is still the same as 2011 Camre... But it is "New-er." Regardless in a sense it's new but I think the term "Brand New" shouldn't have been used at all.

Yep, I remember that comment well. More PR bs that turned out to be false, but the game is still quite awesome. It would definitely be nice if game companies would be honest, but I don't see it happening.
At least it wasn't like age of conan where their PR guy blew enough hot air to raise the temperature of the earth a few degrees.

No.

Bethesda: Let's release a big new game that's very buggy and acts very unfinished and let the modders worry about fixing it.

Dosen't really get any lazier then that.

Bethesda is the only promising Developer out there (imo). Sadly Todd is sinking it. I'd appreciate him more if he simply told the truth about the engine.
Maybe he got the bad influence from Pete?

I'm pretty sure that it's their new engine which allows Skyrim to be compressed as far as it was while still functioning quite well.

And Bethesda is not lazy. They were just console prioritized. It's Treyarch and Infinity Ward that are lazy, creating practical re-hashes of games that you bought 2 years ago.

Don't be melodramatic.

Funny how Infinity ward and Treyarch are still the more richer ones. And more popular really.
Not sure how that makes them lazy. They have improved, people just refuse to believe such blasphemy.

Yes. I also disagree with the "lazy" term. But really. We've come to a stage of full realization that something is not quite right here with Bethesda. If we keep allowing these things by giving endless praises, then I fear TES will eventually become like CoD.

PS: nuff said (?)

Basically they took parts they thought were important and redid them. It's silly to make a new engine from *scratch*, even Valve doesn't do this and we're still waiting on Half Life 3. Obviously some of the parts they thought weren't important, were. Gamebryo just svcks so much. There's a reason the company went out of business -- they were incompetent.

First, I said that I loved the game, it is just frustrating that developers purposely mislead in order to get sales. The game is amazing by itself, no need to create lies in order to sell it. I actually like Todd, but it wouldn't be the first time he did that.

You can imply that those like myself are whining and quote stupid internet memes all you want. I could go that route as well and say that you are just a blind sheep that will worship and defend whatever they put out, but that wouldn't get the conversation very far would it? Truth is, I have seen interviews where Todd was specifically asked if they were using Gamebryo, and he went out of his way to emphasize that this was a WHOLE NEW ENGINE, built from the ground up. Maybe in your mind tweaking a few lines of code constitutes that, but not in mine. The auto anology doesn't really work either, since they typically don't say "all new" with every model year upgrade. It's only when they redesign the vehicle from the ground up every 4-5 years.

My example about Dragon Rising is exactly why this sort of thing burns me so bad. I was a huge fan of the original game, so when they announced DR, I was really pumped. Spent a good year or so in and out of the forums, and reading things that were promised for the game. Turns out, the developers reneged on almost EVERY SINGLE promise about the game. Maybe there isn't a law against making promised for software, but shouldn't their be? I can't tell how much of their promises make it into the game until I actually buy it, so how is that NOT false adveritising. But then again, people who disagree with you are just worthless humans who spew kiddie nonsense. Grow up...

There is a very simple process going on here (well, maybe two), in reference to what you wrote. First, while they are still developing the game, they can promise anything they want. At that point it isn't for sale, and they aren't actually advertising it for sale. (False advertising is to lie about something so that someone will purchase, when otherwise they would not.) During development, it can become clear that a promised "feature" isn't feasible, or will have to wait for a later update do to more important things. There is also a difference in false (or fraudulent) advertising and HYPE. Saying they use a brand new engine may seem like a lie, but if they gutted it and re-wrote a majority of the code, it would qualify as hype. Yes, it is a fine line, but it IS there.

I fail to see how your statements regarding a completely different game apply to THIS one, though. It has no bearing on the argument of "did they use a new engine or not".

You last two sentences, however, are nothing more than inflammatory nonsense. By even making that statement, the final two words of your post apply more towards YOU than anyone else.

Laziness? lolno....

Wrong thing to say..

On a side note, anyone know how to remove arrows

[sarcasm]I dunno man, it may be an utterly beautiful world jam-packed with adventure, excitement and fascinating stories, but I just can't play a game where rain goes through overhangs.[/sarcasm]