The ragdoll physics come from the Havok Physics engine.

The same peculiarities are seen in every game engine that utilizes Havok.

Havok svcks.

Ugh.

Closed to review.

Oops, this wasn't the thread I meant to lock. D'oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eokdHSzhAY

Watch from 2:50 - 4:00. He states quite clearly that they start from from Fallout 3 (an already modded Gamebryo engine) and started re-writing and re-writing....and re-writing. Eventually they have re-written so much that they just decided to just call it something else. Like I said before...Is it totally something NEW? Or just a Heavily modded Gamebyro engine...because in that video he states quite clearly that it all starts from Fallout 3's engine.

EDIT: Accidently quoted someone. Hehe

Did they need to reinvent the wheel? Have you seen how much more detail is crammed into each square inch? And it runs great on the pc I bought to play Oblivion. Sometimes technical advancement isn't pushing the envelope, but arranging the contents of the envelope in a more efficient way that creates more space. Strange metaphor, but you get my point. The engine is very much improved, but most of the improvements are under the hood.

I love how gamers say that the devs were lazy just because they haven't re-invented the wheel. If they were given the task of writing a game they would probably not know where to start. I used to be a programmer and wouldn't have a clue where to start with modern games so saying the devs were lazy is just plain insulting.

Most games are based on one engine or another. Having to build on an existing engine reduces the development time and cost and you get a better game in the long run. Having to re-do the base code for each and every release would more than double the development time.

Oh and the comment about the COD engine... that engine was coded when Jesus was born and is so out of date that IW/Treyarch have to add all sorts of crap onto it to hide the fact that the engine is lame compared to DICE's Frostbite engine. Mind you even Frostbite 2 in Battlefield 3 has been dumbed down. I loved Bad company where you could go through any door in the game by removing it. In Modern Warfare/2/3 you can put C4 on a flimsy door and detonate and it will do sod all. Not being able to open/close doors/windows is crap tbh. At least in Skyrim you can open doors. Imagine having to wait for the NPCs to open the door for you like in COD hehe.

All I know is that my game isn't crashing like the Titanic every 5 minutes as per usual Bethesda Game fare.


Obviously they're doing something better, and I could care less what they called it-the results are theWelcome to the generation of Armchair developers.


Who throw around words like Balance, Bad Design, and Lazy Devs like they're seasoned vets.

nooooooooooooooooo he is turning into peter molyneux or whatever when he promotes a new fable or something overpromises and says things that are wrong NOOOOOO
i think the dlc and patches better make up for some things i wanna bling up my house with stuff already like my dragon claws and thieves guild trophies but no the items one stay in one place > stupid item scripting

Lol! So true. I'm not a programmer...but I know my place. I'm not going to pretend like I know my crap. To make a game this immense and this playable (you have to admit it's better than Oblivion and WAY better than Morrowind...bug wise) is quite an accomplishment. I see they are getting better as developers. The next game will probably be even more smooth on release.

Yes, you have a fair point.
But the thread was based on both "the way they called it" and "the way they advertised it". I still prefer an honest Bethesda.

Even if you started out with, or based it on something else, it is still something new. It's definitely a new engine, even if it based on Gamebyro.

I love how like 2 people in this entire thread even know what gamebryo/creation does, yet everyone's arguing.

Most of the stuff you are complaining about has nothing to do with the engine, but rather questionable programming or bad implementation of modular part-engines.

The 360/PS3 are coming towards the end of their lifetimes. I think the 720 is supposed to appear late 2012? PS4 probably 2013?

Bethseda clearly decided to wait until the next generation before upgrading. With the 360 as lead platform, there doesn't appear to have been much alternative. (the MW3 devs clearly made the same choice).

DICE/BF3 seem to have used the PC as lead platform, with the result being a very modern game engine (frostbite 2)

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TES VI (or whatever bethseda releases after 2013) should finally have a new engine, using the techniques seen in frostbite 2. (ditto the MW-devs)