Anyone using IMCN along with Real Wildlife?
when I activate both, I always CTD when I barter with Hulda in The Bannered Mare, Whiterun.

If I only use 1, either IMCN or Real Wildlife, I got no CTD.

Anyone had a similar problem?

I'm using a lot of other mods as well though, so you might need a combination of Mod A,B,C,n to replicate this.

Looks like just protein, nutrients, and the fatigues get reset when you switch from complex to basic, switching from basic to complex resets protein, nutrients, and morale. The numberless vitality menu looks at those numbers when deciding which penalties to display, so they need to be reset to zero or you'll see complex penalties in basic mode (means I need to reset morale too when you switch from complex to basic.)

The food weights are all pretty reasonable - a large potato really does weigh close to a pound, and the bread loaves are great big loaves of sourdough. They're both quite a meal. The ones I think are maybe unreasonable are the wines and water, half the weight comes from the glass bottle.



Can you confirm that its just Hulda, or do any other merchants do the same thing? As far as I know I don't treat Hulda any differently from all the other merchants. This mod temporarily adds several merchant containers to a quest reference alias with items in its inventory to add those items to the containers. That happens once a day, and the aliases are cleared immediately afterwards.

Tested other merchants a bit(keerava, avenicci, lucan, riverwood barkeeper, belethor, khajiit caravan, grelka)

so far its only hulda/saadia that cause the CTD

I'm also using Real Wildlife along IMCN but I don't have this problem.. maybe another mod is causing the CTD..

(also using lot of other mods)

Derp.. looks like i have to review all my mods again.

One thing that crashes the inventory/barter menu instantly and without fail is if a food or potion in either container doesn't have any effects added to it. The CK throws up a warning upon loading your mod if that's the case. Are you using any other mods that add foods?

Oh, Imp, just a little niggle I've been noticing for a while: the Cooked Beef food item has a rather out-of-place description attached to it.

Great mod... with the latest tweaks the immersion went up significantly. I like the complexity, you are gradually making it more and more subtle. Looking forward to future evolutions of this... thanks for the mod!

IIRC real wildlife does add some foods, but I'm using the optional plugin that don't add the custom Foods.

Better yet, someone can run both without problems at all.

I must've done something terribly wrong somewhere.

I'll do some more detailed tests later when I got back home.

Heh, thanks. I vaguely remember clearing the "Hide In UI" flag for that effect to see what would happen. Easy fix.

Hey, I think I've nailed the problem..

It was Grilled Chicken briast that causes the CTD.

the conflict seemed to be coming from Phitts alchemy and food overhaul.

though I used the 'PTAlchemyOverhaul_ONLY_BetterSorting.esp' that shouldn't affect any food, it still caused CTD everytime I open the inventory/barter menu when I had grilled chicken briast or highlight that food while cooking.

Can anybody else confirm this?

That'd be easy to confirm/fix via TESVSnip - just load up that .esp and look for the FoodChickenCooked form under ALCH. If it has no effects attached (nothing listed under EFID) it's the culprit. Either way, that form probably shouldn't be in that .esp at all, so just delete it (or notify the author so they can fix it.)

There's an error in the previous version of that esp. Grab the hotfix from the download page.

I had a neat idea for a feature that might be worth implementing:


Variable/Random Food Appeal: Basically what this does is make the Appeal stat on food more variable/random instead of a fixed value for each character. (example, a green apple currently has an appeal of 8. with this, it would be more random. For one character it might have an appeal of 9 or even 10, for others it might have only an appeal of 7, 6, 5, or even 4. ) This would give characters a sense of "personal tastes", making them a bit . Not everyone likes Black Brair mead more than Honningbrew, and some people like beef stew a LOT, while others would gag at the mere scent of it. Not everyone likes the same food. This way you could very well wind up with a character that loves the taste of vegetable stew but apsolutely hates sweetrolls (lol)

This could also be affected by race or conditions. Example: due to the green pact wood elves would have a higher preference of meats over fruits or vegetable stews. Khajiits would like Elsewyr fondue more than say a redguard would. And wearwolves might have a higher liking for raw meats than normal people do.

And to top it all off an option to have Appeal hidden from the player untill he/she has eatten that particular meal at least once.

On top of that random fluctuations in appeal could represent the quality of the food. While a bruised apple might be essentially as n nutritious as a fresh apple, it's not as pleasant to eat.

That sounds pretty interesting. I just got done transferring all the nutrition info from magic effects to scripted activators so I can access it from more than just the eating script. If I place those activators into a dummy cell, I can still use them the same way, but write changes as well as read - meaning I'd have a place to store all that random appeal data. Very cool idea.

Clever. That will let you keep track of food in containers as well, right?

I was doing it for more sophisticated food spoilage - it lets me specify a rotten, stale, or not so fresh version for each food, and allows my spoilage scripts to read it when deciding what to put in a food's place when it goes bad. Another bonus is that I can now write an auto-eat script that's able to look at the nutrition info and decide what's best to eat, something I'd need to do if I wanted to support follower HTS (or lazier users.)

Amazing, i'm really looking for the spoilage update.
I can't play skyrim without this mod now.

The system for multistage spoilage is in place, but it'll be a lot of work to fully implement it - it means adding multiple versions of each food, and recipes to use them in. DarkUncleBoh has offered to help me flesh that out, but it probably won't make it into the next update. Food will just spoil into one of 4 different, more or less useless "spoiled food" items. But if it works well and people like the system, it'll get developed further.

Hehe, I'm thinking of making an assassin for my next character. It'll be great to intentionally make food get moldy to use in my devious poisons.

When you get around to it, would you consider giving the spoiled versions of rarer items nastier effects?

I guess I could make some of the spoilage replacements alchemy ingredients rather than foods. Spoiled beef could be used to make a paralysis poison maybe (botulism.)

I like that idea best, but I thought botulism was also produced from spoiled fruit? Like canned fruit (or left in a dungeon in a barrel). In fact I think that some barrels could then be seen as traps that induce you to breath in. The modern weaponization of botulism is airborne.

Ohh the google said any badly preserved food.

Well that was gratifying. I just got done setting up a system where, instead of all the nutrition info for each food being encoded directly into a unique script type magic effect, its coded into a unique scripted activator form. The magic effect instead references an object reference sitting in a dummy cell with a script attached (one of those for each food), which in turn references either one of those base activators with nutrition info, or a similar scripted activator that instead has recipe information attached (that references one or more of those food object references in the dummy cell.) Finally got all that to compile, went to test it out, and it seems to work. Now I can put together a new food that's crafted from other foods (new recipes), and instead of having to figure out nutrition info for it, I just specify what's in it, and all that gets calculated automatically.

mod was working fine at start. after a while i couldnt enter the IMCN items anymore, my character just "ate" them. :S dont know what caused this, i did switch animations off at one point though... could that be it?