Yeah, and if my Khajiit was the dragonborn I'd be demanding that all Khajiit be allowed in or I'll let Alduin eat the Nord bits of the world. After Betheda's destruction of Destruction [and magic in general], banning Khajiit from the cities is my most hated thing about Skyrim.

I don't quite understand what you're saying.

The PC starts out as a prisoner who luckily escapes beheading. Neither the PC nor anyone else is aware that the PC is Dragonborn. It only becomes known both to the PC and the game world at a certain step of the Main Plot. So if a PC hasn't progressed in the Main Plot that far or hasn't progressed in the Main Quest at all past Unbound quest, neither the PC nor the game world know that PC is Dragonborn, and so PC doesn't get treated as Dragonborn. Khajiit PC doesn't get a line from city gate guards 'We don't allow Khajiiti into the cities, but you're Dragonborn, so welcome'. You don't get any lines at all.

It's a technical detail, an obvious technical detail. Bethesda intended for the player to be dragonborn, thus you are allowed to enter the cities.

And this 'not allowing Khajiits in cities' weren't supposed to be trading caravans only? Others Khajiits could be unwelcomed in cities, but they would be allowed as long as they don't cause any trouble.

Still, lack of Khajiit city dwellers is fine with me. If they were present then it would be too much cats and it would stop feeling like they are rare here Skyrim.

In fact, I love being pioneering Khajiit in Skyrim's city life. Maybe I think of quest, where Raksha helps some other Khajiits to establish their life in one of the cities of Skyrim.

I haven't seen a Khajiit in town. I remember Leyawiin in Oblivion being full of Khajiit and Argonians who fought. I remember Dar Jee saying "Why do Khajiit lick their butts?" and then he answers "To get the taste of Khajiit cooking out of their mouths!"

I met a Khajiit in the Ratways, he was named "lowlife".

You description was precisely what my next story line will be like as well - except I will be using a Dunmer (looking more like a Drow - white eyes white hair very dark skin). If there was one place for a Khajiit to settle down, it would be Riften. It's full of questionable people and organizations, so perhaps a young Khajiiti woman was overlooked as the gaurds tried to wrangle the other brigands?

I'm currently playing as a Khajiit as well, and I justify my trips inside city walls with the fact that every time I visit a city more that twice, I try and do a good deed for the Jarl, or some member of his/her court. That way they look at you as a trustworthy guest, not some drug-peddling feline menace. Of course in the case of a sweet looking, poison-wielding assassin... You're going to have a different story to tell!

Ri'saad who is the boss of the caravaners and presumably the one who is in-the-know about these things ( the Ri prefix indicates status) says just the caravaners aren't allowed in the city. Ahkari is the one who says none of them are, but she says she's already been banned from Cyrodil and Elsweyr, and has a habit of getting into trouble, my guess is she's probably banned from the major cities too and is just talking out of her bottom. She mustn't be a clever Khajiit to keep getting caught like that.

As for why you don't see them in the cities is because there simply aren't alot of Khajiit in Skyrim. Most of the ones who have taken up residency there are Bandits. The only other ones are a Thalmor agent, the aforementioned caravaners (Kharjo can enter cities once he stops travelling with them and starts travelling with you), M'aiq, and everybody's favorite wizard J'zargo.

I think that real problem is making Khajiits as default race for playing thieves. It's stupid to be sneaky thieve in places where you stand out.

And that is exactly how I see it.

Awesome idea, but perhaps the wrong time period and province for that build. It would have worked great in Morrowind and Oblivion, not so much in Skyrim for the reasons you and others state.

Khajiit away from Elsweyr are often Assassins for the Thalmor. I believe this is the main reason Khajiit are banned from cities; just go to see the Bosmer in the Grey Quarter, and then do his quest. I believe even the loading screen hints/historical notes mention this. I can't say anymore wthout delving into spoilers. Generally its just not worth the risks as far as the Jarls and Guard are concerned. Aside from moon sugar/skooma and other unsavory things, their perchant for thievery, and the racial and political tensions... if you let a caravan of khajiit into your city, you might just be allowing an assassin or spy free access to their target. Its a very cold-war stuation. I like the theme very much personally, and as above, just wish my Altmer was treated with more racism.

For the player, its a bit of a cop-out but the game probobly assumes that you go to Whiterun and get in only to report Helgen, and then once you are Dovahkiin no one is goign to dney you entrance to a city. You are a special case. Even if you are building exactly what they are afraid of.

Otherwise you can RP and stay out of the cities by choice, or go to Riften where you can RP that the bribe to get in was just because you are Khajiit, or just come up with something else. I don't play beast races, but with the tensions, Skyrim is the first I have been tempted to. They never interested me in Daggerfall, Morrowind, or Oblivion beyond their lore and being creatures I could meet.

Welcome to Tamriel, where becoming a great thief means people will start to notice that you're a great thief. Even though that's completely contradictory...

Someone mentioned Khajiit being likely to be assassins for the Thalmor now. That actually makes sense. It is odd that Bosmer aren't being as persecuted considering they do have involvement with the Thalmor. Do people just not notice any Bosmer members of the Thalmor? Guess the whole religious cannibalism thing has forever made everyone scared of angering a Bosmer.

There are no Khajiit living in a walled City. There is J'Zargo, but Winterhold does not have walls. There is the lighthouse keeper near Solitude but that is outside the walls, and there is one Khajiit that slips into Rifton (a walled city run by Maven and the Thieves Guild) during a certain quest.

Shavari is an

Well you cannot take anything M'aiq says too seriously. Plus, getting to trouble in Riften could mean something he did at the stables, the docks, the fisheries, etc. Same thing for running to Windhelm. Doesn't mean he was inside the City walls in either City.

One option would be to do enough quests in each town to be named Thane before engaging in any major criminal activity. In-character, you're preparing the ground by winning over public affection and impressing the authorities enough that they see you as a solid citizen despite your species, and wouldn't suspect you of criminal activities.

Yeah the part that bugs me is that they start making snide the comments when your sneak skill is only 30. I have characters who have never even thought about stealing anything but they have snuck up on a few draugr so their sneak skill hits 30 and now every other guard is calling me a thief.

I saved the gaurds asses from dragons and because I'm a khajiit they still say "watch it sneak thief" or something, and "what do you want..cat"

They sneak thief to all races if your pickpocket (?) is above 30 and I see anything the Guards say as friendly banter.

I don't think it's Pickpocket that gets that comment, I think it's Sneak. Reason being I had a character that never pickpocketed or stole anything from anybody but used sneak a lot to get the jump on known enemies and hostile creatures and I'm pretty sure I still got the "sneak thief" comment from guards.

BTW if you are on PC there's a mod that will prevent guards from making comments based on skill levels until you reach... I think it's 60, in whatever skill generates the comment. I recommend it since it's fairly easy to get to a decent level on some skills even if you don't use them in the way that the guards' comments imply you do and hearing that stuff constantly gets old fast when it doesn't really apply to your character. You may still hear it eventually anyway but at least it delays it twice as long.

Yeah, its sneak and it is kind of annoying because sneak is also a scout and hunter skill so them calling you sneak thief seems really out of place for a lot of characters, especially since they start doing it at skill level 30.

Khajiit are allowed in the cities, only caravaneers are banned. Most Khajiit avoid the cities by choice because they know they'll be treated like third class citizens.