Destroying Orsinium and hunting us down.....
Read How Orsinium Passed to the Orcs.

The bretons actually didn't hunt down the orcs, they only wanted orsinium for the minerals.

When I say hunted down, I mean because of them we haven't had a home and are forced to be Pariah Folk. Also, it doesn't help with our public image, leading other races to reject us. So, I feel fairly comfortable when I say the Bretons keep ruining the Orsimer....

Well they are xD but you can't blame them, the orsimer have made a ton of enemies in the past.

Quotes are still screwing up so I butchered the code in laziness.

name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272'
There are still times of drought and hunting is still done in large moderation in cyrodiil. quote]
citations.


name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272' There are trolls in cyrodiil, they have bandits, ogres, goblins,quote
Skyrim has bandits, but not goblins. Cyrodiil doesn't have ogres anymore since the oblivion gates are closed.

quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']more vampires since the Volkihar are pretty much dying out,uote]

Citations.

name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']only thing you really have is giants and dragons and most giants don't raid villages or cities without a reason too, they are pretty docile if left alone.[uot

Giants have to be paid off with cattle. It's a random event in the world map: a farmer will lead a cow or bull that's been painted blue as a sacrifice to the giants. They don't sound so docile to me.


name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']So? the hunters still know how to use a bow excellently, the farmers can swing swords and axes because they had to defend against bandits, goblins, ogres and various other things. They because they joined the legion doesn't mean they forgot the skills they had before.quote]

To quote Tulius, "We take care of our own. Once you join the legion and you join it for life." You don't become a farmer ever again. Infact, it suggests that soldiers are given food from peasants, which is exactly how Rome did it. http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540678548774364794/2C2FD32B763DA8CD08350C3BBE7862964CA30D67/


quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']No not really, northern cyrodiil has the same snowy climate as skyrim,quote]
No it doesn't. The further north you go, the colder it gets. That's a fundamental fact.

uote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']high rock has a lot of snowy areas on the northern shoresquote]
Bretons might be a good claim, but I doubt it.

uote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']and the Redorans have farms and the Velothi mountains they dwell near are exactly like skyrim's.quote]
Again, further north you go. Just because you have snow doesn't mean it gets as cold.


quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']Actually the Dunmer are fine with snow, just look at the Redorans.quote]
Dunmer have fire resistance as their racial. Nords have frost. Done argument.



quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']Well it shouldn't be hard to find since a majority of Morrowind's trading was exporting pottery, ebony, glass, gems, and various other minerals.quote]
Then please get your sources. Until then it's conjecture.


quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']Ah..no thats not why he banned Talos worship, he banned it because he really didn't have a choice and wanted to have time to rebuild and then counter attack the Dominion, the Talos ban isn't permanent and whoever told you it was is an idiot.quote]

It was a Bethesda poster. And I don't think it's an idiotic move to try to cement your family as a dynasty.



quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']I didn't say they couldn't hunt, I said they aren't exactly living off the land. They get supplies from Stormcloak controlled areas and this has even been mentioned.quote]

Citations for unfarming unhunting nords who svckle at a city's teet. That's okay, I'll wait while you never address this with cold hard fact but continue to reiterate it as if saying it enough times makes it fact.


quote name='Cider!' timestamp='1340059712' post='21012272']They survive like everyone else, farming, hunting and having various industries.
quote]

Consider that trade has been cut down a lot in the civil war. Everyone comments on it. It's even in bandit journals.

Least favorite? Nord, hands-down - which I didn't expect before getting the game. Half my characters for previous titles were the native races - Dunmer in Morrowind and Imperial in Oblivion. In Skyrim, I prefer playing Khajit.

People fear us for our strength, I thought you of all would understand, Dunmer.

Didn't the redguards help the bretons destroy orsinium? if so you must hate them too

Again Treng, you talk a lot about people needing citation yet I want to see you cite every single one of your sources saying the nords actually do live off the land as much, as for trading being cut off its because a large portion of non-nord caravans in stormcloak territory get attacked because Ulfric doesn't care about them, it also doesn't help that a stormcloak supporter hired pirates to attack EEC ships which were bringing goods to skyrim and taking exports out of skyrim so he can advance his own interests.


Oh I do but it doesn't help that the Orsimer don't have a lot of friends outside of the Legion.


It was more of Redguard mercenaries.

Um, what? Altmer have a great magic regeneration power (if you don't want to abuse the cost reduction enchants) and Argonians have the health regeneration power. Both are quite useful.

And again my vote is Breton because every lazy build uses their 25% magic resistance to full advantage.

I did at first, but in the lore forum they said that for the Reguards, they were more so just mercenaries for the Bretons.

I always thought a truce between Dunmer and Orsimer could work, but I doubt either sides would go for it. =(

Probably could but the dunmer tend to hold grudges, especially since there are orsimer in Morrowind that still do raids

Both being cursed elves, the Dunmer rebuilding, and the Orsimer needing a home (As usual ) I think it could work. It would actually be a fairly interesting idea for the next ES.....

Because it's so common sense that a native people has to know how to survive, that Bethesda didn't anyone was dull enough to need "Nord farming: and you." to consider that the Nords know how to live in their land, that they've lived in longer than any other human in its own. Nords are the grandpappies of Humanity.


Neither does Solitude: there's a wrecked merchant's wagon just outside of Dragon's Bridge.

Some men want to see the world burn?

Right but just because there are farms doesn't mean every nord lives off the land, every province has farms so thus every race technically has someone living off the land.


If it wasn't for the stormcloaks that wouldn't have ever happened, now would it? Same can be said for the constant raided caravans and pirates in stormcloak territory, so really the problem of bandits running rampant can be blamed on the stormcloaks who caused the legion to pay attention to them rather then bandits.

Farmers make money selling to cities, but if a Nord is dropped in the middle of Skyrim with nothing and an Imperial the same, I'll give you one guess as to who'd survive.



The same can be said for the Imperial making it hard for Stormcloaks to police lands. Just because Ulfric may (and keep in mind we never see ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL ANYWHERE IN THE GAME BESIDES ONE NORD) not supply help to caravans, doesn't mean the other jarls don't or won't.

Actually it depends on how they were raised and what they know, not all nords are survivalists. and imperials could definitely be just as much survivalists as a nord.




> stormcloaks policing the lands.

Heh, thats funny and Ulfric helping out anyone who isn't a nord, thats even more funny and no theres more examples, for instance theres a bandit camp that purposely targets non-nords because the stormcloaks wouldn't care. Also theres no examples that Ulfric will ever help the other races or stop bandit raids on non-nord caravans, one example against none is pretty much better.

You're annoying as hell.

As to which race I dislike the most, it is the Altmer. For one, they are all snobby. Not just the Thalmor, but almost all of them. The only Altmer I've seen that was nice, from Morrowind to Skyrim, was the owner of the Bloated Float Inn on Oblivion. Second, Elves are supposed to be very beautiful, in any fantasy book/game/moive, The Altmer seem, as a majority, unattractive. One or two has had that Elven look I always imagin, but for the most part their faces seem just plain ugly. And finally, they focus alot on magic, and I can't stand magic. I dislike when a race as a whole is generally more adept in magic than others. It makes them, in my mind, tyrants. Sure, as the player you can choose to use or not use anything, but as race I think they have too much power with their magic.

I probably should've been more clear, but I figured since we'd been discussing the Empire and Stormcloaks it was announced.





Again, there's no evidence anywhere that Ulfric is racist besides what that one Nord says. Even still, if you're another race and complete the Stormcloak quest line he names you kin. If you study feudalism, that means YOU inherit the throne if Ulfric dies. Nevermind the other arguments I posed in the last thread that utterly prove Ulfric isn't racist, such as kicking Nords out of homes in Windhelm to give the Dunmer place to live.



Deal with it.

The empire has plenty of scouts that are trained to survival in the wilderness, and most scouts were raised as hunters and farmers thus they use their skills to survive in the wilderness, its not impossible for an imperial to be a survivalist and in the legion.



That wasn't Ulfric, that was his father and the nords were given new homes and the such, pretty much they got out of the slums, also the words of a tyrant are to be as trusted as the words of a con-man.

You keep saying this even after I told you this isn't true. Ulfric didn't invite the Dunmer in, his father did. I if the war was going on I bet you they'd be out on their [censored].

Wait, where does it list that requirements for scouts is farming and aggriculture?


Yeah his father booted them out (the Nords with homes, to allow the dunmer places to live in the city) and Ulfric upheld it. Windhelm's walls are the oldest human walls in the known world. They haven't been torn down or expanded, so there's no more room for more homes.


Okay, his father invited them in. See above.

And why would Ulfric kick them out if the war wasn't going on? If anything it'd be more likely that he'd kick them out during war because they're a massive drain on resources and they're a cause of discontent amongst his people.

I really doubt he'd risk a riot from the Dunmer with the war going on, and considering he isn't giving the Dunmer anything except shelter hes got no reason to kick them out now. Why risk gaining more enemies when you haven't delt with the first ones.

It doesn't but the legion generals aren't morons that go "Ok your skills that you learned before joining no longer exist, you are a new person" the legion knows to use the skills of their soldiers, and its just common sense that scouts are trained in survival because that requires them to be in the wilderness or enemy terrain for a long time. Also bringing up what you said before about being in the legion forever, thats not true. Plenty of veterans retire from the legion and set up a new life as guards, mercenaries, farmers, shop keepers, etc etc.



No actually Ulfric was against it as for not kicking them out it would've meant the dunmers going on a riot out of anger, also further proof he is racist is that argonians aren't allowed to live in the city.