Omg.. where's the eye roll smilie when I need it?

First, I'm going to assume you both are young. Second, you are so far off on your assumptions that it's not even funny. I'm so tired of hearing the "well if you're abused, then call the cops and get out. If you don't, it's your fault and you deserve the abuse" line. When you're in a relationship like that, the physical harm leads to so, so much more. (As I assume was posted in the wiki page earlier.) When you live in the constant fear of harm and/or death, you go into survival mode - which 9 times out of 10 in those situations is to cower in a corner because the thought of leaving makes you believe you will die. And let's be honest - how many stories have you heard of abusive partners killing their victims when they try to leave? So please, until you're in an abuse victim's shoes - don't try to pass judgement.

Um... I know soooo many women who have been arrested - on the spot - for hitting a man. I know women who are in jail for it, who are sure to return to jail for it, and are just overall crappy human beings. However, the likelihood that a man couldn't stop a woman from harming them is rather low. MOST - not all - women are smaller or weaker then their male counterparts.

And on the topic of the OP: I have to agree with some others here. Most people tend to ask "What did he do to deserve it?" as a passing "gah that svcks, why him?" type of thing. I don't think most people would "take the girl's side" in a case like this when clearly, stabbing a defenseless person in the back isn't exactly self-defense and is also quite clearly premeditated.

And please - men and women will never be truly equal. Why? Because we're just two very different sides of a coin. We think differently, act differently, react differently, feel differently, and can do things the other six can't. Women tend to be far more emotionally driven and men more logical. Women say things like "I feel..." and men say things like "I am..", etc. And because of that, we are better suited for different things in life. (There are, of course, exceptions to the rule.)

I'm Afrikaner/British actually. I met my fiance here in America.

you sound young yourself. we're both different sides of the SAME coin, i say. plus each gender can be a lot more alike if they want to, but people are having too much fun using excuses so they can act like [censored]es and [censored]s

I like to let you guys debate some of these issues without shutting down the thread, but a couple posts are getting a bit... heated, as in maybe taking things a bit too personally. Be mindful.

And always, with regards to "hot button" topics, the best thing anyone can do, male or female, is always take a step back and get some perspective - think critically about what you read/hear and develop a good filter for the metric ton of nonsense that gets produced in the news, on the internet, in your high school, in your workplace...

A lot of it has to do with Old World values. Our society (IE Western Society) has advanced to a point where women have knights in shining armour if they're dating the person, but most guys don't care the same way 'behind' societies do. They still cling to the idea that we should be proper to ladies to high extents. I'm of that mindset, but I won't 'Let the woman be right' if she's wrong. I'll point it out and keep it up. I'm all about equal treatment, and I don't let guys get away with it (If it's something silly, that just doesn't matter), then why should I let a girl get away with being wrong in an arguement?

What really butters my toast (in a bad way) is hearing the old "Guys are such [censored]s/all the same/jerks" after 1 guy in the past did something wrong, and all the others get blamed for it. I've known women who have constantly cheated (most were friends) and still manage to get all th blame on the guys. Things like that can be so tiring. I mean yea a lot of the time both people are at fault, but it's so annoying to hear guys get blamed for everything. Just my 2 cents and personal experience here. I mean heck if I went by that mentality I could very well say all women are cheaters, users, and other words I don't want to use, since I have been cheated on 4 times lol.

Sadly we will always be at fault though :/
Like I said, just all my opinion and everything. Obviously not everyone is like this or has had the same experience as me.

The opposite (all women are ____) is much, much more common, and when you already have a society full of misogyny, they just because stereotypes that it's okay to casually use constantly. "All men are jerks" isn't some real stereotype that men have to listen to daily. You might know a person who thinks like this, but it's not really a problem like socially acceptable casual misogyny is.

It goes both ways. The one I hear most often is "women are only after your money." If you're not rich, don't expect to find someone. Unless you're a jerk of course - all women go after jerks too. These come up an awful lot - quite often on these forums too. It's sad when people get bitter and twisted like that - sometimes I reckon all the nice men and women who hear crap like that are bound to stay as far away as possible. And then the bitter person puts it down to being not rich enough, or good looking enough, or too nice. :/
As for the cheating thing, I find that (culturally speaking), men do tend to have it easier sometimes. There's no real male equivalent for [censored] or [censored] (derogatory for promiscuous, if that gets censored), and I think it's the evo-psych (?) argument that theorises that monogamy isn't really the male way - better to sow many seeds, if you know what I mean. I was just thinking about celebrity couples where the man is believed to be cheating - quite often it's the "other woman" who is called the home wrecker.

I see the same type of thing said about women by guys who can't get a date. Nobody can accept blaming themselves so they place blame the other side, both men and women do this.

Bitterness is a dark looming shadow that casts the aura of "he or she who does not trust and should not be trusted", as such bitterness and ill thought will cause the source to manifest. To be bitter towards either, and to enter a relationship with such aura, is the beginning of the end.

She's serving time for it, so obviously others didn't see it as simply as his fault.



People react differently to certain relationship stresses, this chick obviously had a screw loose, to stab him in the back, literally.
People also like to lay blame on one gender or another for relationship failures, but in reality, since both individuals are in the relationship, they both bear responsiblity for their actions, and how their actions affect each other and the relationship. A large portion of communication in a relationship is non verbal. If you can't tell that your lover is obviously having mental or emotional issues, you are probably pretty damn self centered. Relationship woes don't just immediately manifest.
People are unfaithful, they lie, they steal, some have communication issues, some are passive agressive, some are doormats, some are verbally or physically abusive, some are mentally ill. It's not gender specific.

There have been cases where a long term physically abused SO attacked the offending SO, this probably gives rise to the "What did so and so do to deserve such an attack?"

I prefer the sixy Wars. Much more entertaining to watch

I suppose I am young... compared to someone in their 60's.

And this. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Interesting you brought that up. I was watched a show on serial killers and one of the people on it made the comment that alot of the unsolved serial killers and murders from back in the day (before modern criminal science) were most likely women. The main reason he said this was because women were rarely if ever seen as suspects in murder cases.

So it's not so much that women are better at murder than men, it's just men don't see women as the obvious suspect.

Yes. Girls are trouble. At any age

I know all about the empty talking heads that defend monsters. They shouldn't be let on tv IMO, those that let them on should be ashamed.

Still sadly where I live, people get very little prison time or none at all because some of those empty headed people became judges. Seriously people have gotten only months in prison for murder and other serious crimes because "well she had a bad childhood" or "he was depressed" or "he comes from a people that were treated badly in the past."

It doesn't matter why the person did the crime, they should do the damn time.

Btw I am from Canada if anyone was wondering.

People can complain about equal rights and all that nonsense when I get cheaper car insurance!
I also got an E in CSPE.

Yes sir, or mam. My image of a macho man is some guy on steroids that watches Jersey Shore and is a [censored]. That was like this one kid I knew. He didn't do steroids but he was mean to his gf. He would act like everything was her fault. She deserved someone better. Oh well, he's in jail now, where he belongs.

Sir be me .

Styles not alot of difference here.

Btw I am from Australia.

But as the creator of this thread had said about people reactions to an incident, a knee jerk reaction is typical, not only in this case but in so many other cases, its easy to make assumptions than get the facts first.

That's a pretty good point actually. And kinda scary.

Nice title.

This should be "It's always the stallion's fault..."

Jus sayin'.


Mod: Fix'd.

Its official.

The Beth Forum mods are the best ever.

The same thing happens in child abuse cases, unfortunately. People just can't or aren't willing to believe that women can be just as malicious/crazy/ugly as men...