Lonewander vs courier vs vault dweller vs chosen one. Who wi

Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:38 pm

In a fight? Well I have my money on the guy with access to a working Alien Mother ship. Holo-grams are impressive but won't do any thing when the LW glasses the Mojave.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:31 am

The Courier.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:54 am

That you did. Can't believe I forgot that.
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Joey Bel
 
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:06 pm

You mean the guy with a major Ultra-jet addiction.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:14 pm

No I mean the guy who actually saved earth. Like it or not, Bethesda has not said it was non-cannon
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:39 am

You can take the vault dweller from the vault, but you cant take the vault from the vault dweller.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:45 pm


40 Divided by 0=Infinite


There, ya happy now?
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:43 pm

lol i think you misunderstood the dlc, Bethesda wanted to try something new so they made a DLC in the form of a drug hallucination. The Lone Wonderer was actually watching some syfy flick in vault 106. The vent drugs combine with ultra jet created a out of body delusion, thats what the Lone Wonderer experienced
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:58 pm

I always went with Ultra Jet. This is the theory I'm gonna go with now.

That or Punga Fruit.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:15 pm

Obviously it was the Punga Fruit. It's not a coincidence why they put Point Lookout right before Mothership Zeta.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:50 pm

That was my reasoning as well.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:14 pm

To be fair, I don't think we can include any assets that the characters may have with them. If this were the case, the Lone Wanderer could just warp up to his spaceship and disable the transporation device. The Courier could Helios the crap out of anyone he wanted, and I haven't played the other 3 heavily enough to give other examples.

(This includes the Warrior's posse.)

If we are to consider all the characters as maxed as the game allows (without any console commands) then the match up would go towards the Chosen One or the Warrior because they exceed the 100 cap on both The Courier & The Lone Wanderer. I personally believe The Warrior would win because he has a more advanced arsenal (The damage is on the same scale for both games, the YK42B is much stronger than the Gauss Rifle, and the Vindicator Minigun is stronger in FO:T, not to mention the existence of usable vehicles).

Conveniently enough, the Chosen One & the Warrior have a similar battle system within their respective games, so we do not have to make a transition between game engines, which sounds too uncomfortable of a comparison to make as we have already excluded the others based on the 300 skill cap. 200 higher than The Courier's and the Lone Wanderer's cap, and 100 higher than the Vault Dweller's cap.

By battle alone, the Warrior stands out among them.


However....

Many of you seem to be comparing the accomplishments and notable feats of the protagonists, which alone is a whole other game to play. I will not include lore based accomplishments (Oh the Courier TOTALLY saved the entire world so he wins /thread). Only feats that the player (you) cannot control.

If we are measuring the feats of the protagonists I would put it towards the Courier no contest. Things are unfairly in his favor, because with 5 different endings we allow for 5 different immeasurable feats that the others cannot compare to. He killed Ceasar, rose above the Big MT Supercomputers, defeated the legendary Ulysses, and allied himself with the Burned Man.

This is the game design's fault, as every sequels provides even more epic and legendary feats for the player to accomplish and the DLCs add to that even more. the Courier gets to reunite Mojave all under one banner and gain complete control of New Vegas and it's robot army. It's an unfair comparison in my opinion, which is why I prefer the Warrior and his battle finesse.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:48 am

Realisticaly it would probably be down to the Lone wander and the Vault dweller because odds the first two are either dead of old age or very VERY old by now.

but if they somehow managed to be rejuvinated, it probably depends on

Does the VD have the Turbo plasma Rifle and the skill to use it

or one of them have one of the LE Red Rider BBGuns, and the skill s and perks to max it out..I would have to give a bit of a edge to thoes two.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:35 pm

The Vault Dweller? He's been dead for a long time by now. The others could still be alive though.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:19 pm


That's totally missing the point of the question.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:45 pm


Lone wanderer would win anyone in duel. You cannot target wanderer at the eyes, so you could not kill him with armor piercing criticals, so lone wanderer`s armour would absorb damage by 85% maximum so with level 20 and max endurance lone wanderer would have 490 health without chemicals. So with max armor of 85% lone wanderer would have 906 "virtual" health. so damage potential of fo 1 turbo would be max of 140 without fast shooting perk, 210, with it. So lone wanderer would be at 696 hp after fo 1 dude attacking lone wanderer.

fo 1 dude would have 185 health. hardened power armor would have 60% damage reduction to explosives, so fo1 dude would have 296 virtual health, +20damage threshold so it would have 316 "virtual" healh.

so lets see how well fo 1 dude would survive against lone wanderer equipped with mirv. Wikia says that mirv has 20336.2 dps if all projectiles hit, so fo 1 dude would end up in -7 798,4 hp. :gun:
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:33 pm

Before Chemicals, Armor, and basically anything else, the warrior can reach a max of 829 health assuming he maxed Strength and Endurance early in the game and increased other statistics later. I don't have the math for AC and Damage Resistance but I think that it would come to be much more than 906.

The MIRV is an unreasonable tool because it has an unrealistic ammo expectation and in a real situation could be utilized for maybe 1 or 2 shots. In a turn based environment or an environment where VATS could be utilized, the Lone Wanderer would be dead, whether or not he fired the MIRV.


EDIT: Including the MIRV falls under the same category of using the HELIOS gun you get from that little kid, using the space ship, using the enclave base, or any other super powered weapons.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:13 am


It really is this simple. Courier moves faster than everyone else.


Alternatively, we can basically assume that ED-E following the Courier as his constant companion is canon, given that that's what any good ending with ED-E says and that ED-E's so heavily involved with the finale.
Stealth boy + ED-E's enhanced sensors. The Courier is the ONLY one who can see a stealthed target and VATS target them. No one else is gonna get a shot off because the Courier will shoot first, and he'll be outta there before anyone can even retaliate.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:58 pm

Companions really have no place here, because if they do The Warrior would be allowed to have 4-5 other people on his side.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:31 pm

His reasoning for including ED-E is because unlike the other companions. ED-E is a constant companion. For the sake of this argument, he's basically just another weapon that we know the Courier has at his disposal at any given time. We know that the Vault Dweller and Chosen One both settled down to lead Arroyo and New Arroyo. We can assume that the Lone Wanderer isn't being accompanied everywhere by an 8 foot tall mutant. The post-game Courier has ED-E with him everywhere as a constant companion. He's a special case because he's the only companion who's slide actually has him staying with his master.

Although I'm confident that the Courier could win without him.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:35 pm

"Fallout 1 Dude" AKA the Vault Dweller didn't have Turbo the drug, which is what Legend was referring to. You're mistaking the drug Turbo for the Turbo Plasma Rifle, which the Vault Dweller did have.

Turbo the drug (and Implant GRX) is a game changer for the Courier. It's a huge advantage and is one of the main reasons I believe he could take any of the others on. He could put several clips into the Lone Wanderer before he'd get a shot off, which would likely miss the insanely fast target anyway.

Of course the Lone Wanderer could be targeted in the eyes. What, are his eyes immune to bullets or something? What makes his eyes any more special than any guy from the west coast?
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:37 am

So someone in this thread suggested that the LW using the alien ships attack would cause more devastation than the holograms.

If we are talking about world domination then I think that the red cloud along with an army of indestructible holograms would fair better.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:30 pm

Yup. Then you've also got Helios/Archimedes, the Big Empty technology, and the arsenal of the Divide. But the Cloud is all you'd really need in the end. Besides, the Alien ship can't attack earth. We destroyed its space laser. The one used at the end was for fighting other ships, not targeting spots on the map.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:01 pm


Right. Every other companion in the history of Fallout is implied or presumed to have only traveled with the protagonist for a time. Marcus split from the Chosen One, Ian died, Lily eventually loses herself or splits off to seek her past, Cassidy is probably dead, and companions such as Boone, Star Paladin Cross and Veronica clearly only stay with the protagonist with a goal or purpose in mind. ED-E is an oddity because as long as the Courier interacts with and does ED-E's quest, all endings EXPLICITLY state that ED-E remains the Courier's constant companion while the other 7 companions split and go their seperate ways. Given ED-E's heavy involvement in the climix of the game itself, Lonesome Road, I think it's very very VERY safe to assume that ED-E being with the Courier is canon. FFS, even if you leave the Divide ED-E in his pod and obtain the Lonesome Road perk, it does NOT depict the vault boy walking off into the sunset alone, but rather accompanied by ED-E. And ED-E's quests is one of the few quests that the Courier activates COMPLETELY on his own initiative. It's not someone asking him to repair ED-E, it's the Courier seeing ED-E and asking for permission to fix him. Ulysses himself implies that the Courier has some sort of fixation or attachment to eyebots, Enclave tech or old world symbols. It's heavily implied that the canon Courier WOULD complete ED-E's quest.
Likewise, the Courier has unintentionally, through the course of ED-E's travels with him, basically erased ED-E's past. ED-E's a robot, and while he may have emotions as implied by LR, his history has effectively been erased and he's STILL just a robot, so he has absolutely 0 motivation whatsoever to ever part ways with the Courier.
It's all right there: the endings themselves state that the Courier will be accompanied by ED-E, just as they state that the Courier will remain within reach of the Big MT "for years to come."


The only other companion who could potentially count as "permanent" would be Dogmeat (FO3), but even that's debatable given that the FO1 Dogmeat died canonically. ED-E has confirmation he'll be around and we have plenty of reason to believe he didn't simply die within the Courier's travels, Dogmeat does not. Even so, no companion affords a protagonist as much of an advantage as ED-E, simply because ED-E allows the Courier to fully see and target stealthed targets; Dogmeat is just a dog.

I think most people are considering that unfair because it's not 1v1 terms, but isn't "fair" subjective? What's fair? If the two fight each other with equal weaponry? If they fight each other unarmed? The most common argument for the Lone Wanderer winning is the MIRV, which is basically saying "the LW has superior technology." Isn't ED-E just a piece of technology? Just because he's not a gun doesn't mean he's not fair game.
The way I see it, just treat it realistically. Perhaps, just as an example and all obvious possibilities of them getting along aside (solely because this thread asks the question of who'd win in a fight), imagine that the Courier's walking east and the LW is walking west. The Courier, potentially having blown up the Mojave BoS and thus being on questionable terms with them, is immediately cautious as he sees a man in power armor walking towards him. Likewise, the LW sees the eyebot hovering behind the Courier, as well as the old world flag on his duster, and knowing only the Enclave of the east and the trouble they caused, assesses the Courier as a problem and a threat.

Are those two going to talk it out and discuss their terms of battle? No.
Is the Lone Wanderer going to say "I call no fairsies! You have help," and the Courier will care or listen and tell ED-E to go away? No.
They would simply begin fighting if they assessed each other as a threat, and they'd use whatever they normally use vs. any Raider, deathclaw or gecko.

Thus the Courier not only has Turbo on hand, which is a ridiculous advantage already, he can also use stealth boys to remain hidden, and while the Lone Wanderer is free to use his Chinese Stealth Suit, the Courier can spot him in stealth irregardless, just because of ED-E's enhanced sensors.
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Post » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:30 pm

hey guys, just for the sake of argument for those who want to enter companions into the fight. Im going to compare companions that best match each other. I did all of them except RL-3 and Ed-e because im Biases towards RL-3.

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Raul vs Charon
Raul - Was a gunslinger his entire life, he managed to survive the Apocalypse with his sister using only his skill with a handgun. He was in two major battles were he was outnumbered and out gunned and somehow STILL managed to drag himself to safety.

Charon - Was only a bodyguard as far as we know. He was raised with a group that brainwashed him though we dont have much story about this. That being said as far as we know hes just a thug for Ahzrukhal, doing his dirty work like collecting debts and guarding the bar from drunk ghouls.

Winner = Raul by a long shot.

Reason: Though one might argue that Raul is too old the fact that he continues to be the vaquero and makes a name for himself as the Ghost Vaquero proves he is still capable. As far as we know Charon is only a bodyguard...

Veronica vs Paladin Cross
Veronica - She has combat training, like all Brotherhood of Steel members but thats about it. She prefers her powerfist while NOT wearing power armor which is idiotic. She doesn't highlight her combat abilities though she mentions she has a form. There isn't much to be said, she is more of a tinker then a warrior.

Paladin Cross - Its implied she has spent several tours in DC against the super mutant threat. I also only found out recently that shes actually a Cyborg. She can take more damage and also never tires or goes hungry. She is a warrior and was chosen to escort James to Vault 101 for this very reason.

Winner = Paladin Cross
Reason: Like i said Cross is an actual soldier while Veronica is just a scribe assigned to get supplies for her bunker.

Boone vs Jericho
Boone - Boone is from the first recon sniper battalion and has fought at bitter springs. His unit has a reputation for being the best of the best. With all the battles the NCR puts itself in that should stand for something. If Ceasar invades the Mojave Boone will go on a legion killing spree. Eventually catching the eye of the Legate himself

Jericho - Though he is washed up now this old timer is still someone to be feared. He is experiance in the cruel and sinister. The fact that he was a raider and lived long enough to retire should say something in itself. He's also a sharpshooter even with his crude rifle. He now retires in Megaton and helps protect the town here and there. But he's still a raider at heart...

Winner - Boone
Explanation: as a raider Jericho most likely prayed on weak targets like weaker raiders and settlers. As an NCR sharp shooter Boone had to deal with the worst of the worst... Experience great Khans and Legionaries. His ending slide should give him more then enough credit to win this battle. But id say Jericho gave him a run for his money.

Cassidy vs Clover
Cassidy - Cassidy owns her own caravan company and has been trained to use guns and dynamite effectively as ammo is limited. Her travels in the wasteland had made her rough and rugged, as she would even beat men in fistfights. Thanks to her occupation its assumed she had to dealt with robbers and wasteland critters from time to time, giving her some experience.

Clover - Not much to go on. Clover is a crazy [censored] who has been raised by the worst of the worst. Eulogy, being a slave owner and having dealt with his share of sick people claims Clover is the craziest girl hes ever met.

Winner: Cassidy
Reason: skill and experiance beats crazy each and every time. Clover has only delt with other slaves before the Lone Wonderer. Cassidy deals with danger on occasion. It is no contest

Arcade vs Butch
Arcade - An intelligent member of the followers who spends his free time creating new medicines. The dangerous people arcade deals with are the occasional drunks and psychotic drug addicts.

Butch - A wanna-be bad boy who has bullied the Lone Wanderer his entire life. Butch is all show and has a mean bark. Though when it comes to actual combat he rather not even face a radroach to save his own mother.

Winner - Arcade
Reason: Both men have zero combat experience before meeting the PC. So what it ends up coming down to is equipment and skill. Arcade has medical skills along with his affiliations with the Enclave. Dont forget he has power armor training and access to a set. His plasma caster would has a bigger impact then Butches pistol. and if he gets shot well he can patch himself up. I didnt even mention in his ending he aids in mass evacuations and acts as the police force of Freeside.

Lily vs Fawkes
let me take the time to remind you the difference between Nightkin and Super mutants. Its not the skin pigment, Nightkin are actually superior super mutants as the FEV has not altered their intelligence and has made them stronger. They are handpicked by the Master himself. Though thanks to their special access to Stealth boys they have been altered.

Lily - An assassin for the Legendary master himself. What the master needed an assassin for we may never know though Lily proved herself very capable and managed to survive until she was freed from his control. Lily currently tends to the Big Horners and enjoys smashing radscorpions and night stalkers. Her alter ego Leo sometimes causes her to go Berserk and enter a mindless rampage.

Fawkes - Looking at his background there is nothing impressive about this super mutant besides his intelligence and morals. Like many of his kind he spent time gathering wastelanders to help the super mutant army grow. Despite his intelligence he was rounded up and thrown into imprisonment. He claims he was locked in there long enough to read history and encyclopedias. He is seen outside Raven rock, killing several disordered Enclave soldiers with the Help of his gatling gun

Winner = Lily
Reason: Lily was considered a Nightkin, a superior super mutant of the warrior cast. On top of that she was also skilled enough to be an assassin / spy for the master himself. She can turn invisible at will and can allow Leo to cause havoc whenever shes in a tight spot. Fawkes is a pacifist and depends on his equipment and natural super mutant abilities over actual skill.

Rex vs Dogmeat
Rex - a police K-9 from before the great was. He survived the great war and has spilled blood for the Legion. He was even Caesar pet for awhile.

Dogmeat - an intelligent dog rescued from a scrap between 2 raiders. Dogmeat is loyal to his master and is roughen up naturally thanks to the DC wasteland.

Winner = Rex
Reason: Though Dogmeat is a tough competitor Rex is enhanced by his cyborg body and has even survived the great war itself itself.

Ed-e vs RL-3... im not doing this one

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