m1911 and .45 ammo someone show me : Fallout: New Vegas

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:58 pm

Its a question of what weapons do you use it for. Josh doesn't want to model a round that only used in one gun. Also, how many SMGs and Autopistols are already in the game? If there's no room left in the weapon heirarchy to add the guns we want, then they basically just become alternate skins of the same gun. What's the point of that? They decided Hipower and Grease gun rather than .45 and Thompson. They could have done either.

They have the .50 cal round and so far we only have one weapon that uses it. Only other I can think of is a 50 cal machine gun (I don't think we will get that). I don't think we are getting a .50 cal pistol that's what the new 12.7 ammo is for right? How many weapons will use the 12.7?

Tommy Gun should be in the game and so should the Colt. The devs are smart they could come up with another gun that uses the ammo.

"14mm AP is the only type of 14mm ammunition in Fallout, Fallout 2. It's a fairly powerful ammunition but somewhat rare. The only weapon to use this ammunition is the 14mm Pistol."

Also having the Alien power cell back must mean there will be alot of alien weapons :cryvaultboy: :brokencomputer:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:39 pm

They have the .50 cal round and so far we only have one weapon that uses it. Only other I can think of is a 50 cal machine gun (I don't think we will get that). I don't think we are getting a .50 cal pistol that's what the new 12.7 ammo is for right? How many weapons will use the 12.7?

Well unless we misunderstood Josh, we'll either have a .50mg HMG OR 12.7mmSMG. Those are the only two weapons that make sense and one of them is gonna be in the game.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:20 am

I will enjoy a "Chicago Piano" in the game, but does anyone know if an MP40 would be in the game? unlikely, but it does use 9mm rounds and I just like it for some reason =/

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:53 am

Well unless we misunderstood Josh, we'll either have a .50mg HMG OR 12.7mmSMG. Those are the only two weapons that make sense and one of them is gonna be in the game.

Well if it was left to me I'd definitely choose the man portable .50 Cal M2 Browning Machine Gun, it'd seriously add a powerful punch to the Big Guns category of weaponry and probably convince me wholeheartedly to convert completely over to them, Plus if your a Gun Nut like me (And a few choice others on here) its kind of hard to not be a really devoted fan of John Browning and or at the very least respect some of the greatest firearm designs ever conceived. :tops:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:34 am

I would GECKulate that 45ACP will definitely be in the game, it's one of the most common, most popular handgun cartridges used in America, and was prevalent back in the day when the Fallout3 theme is grounded. Given the gangster-theme of Las Vegas and the romantic attachment of the Thompson and the Gangster, I think it would frankly svck if we didn't have Thomspon-wielding-gangster-guards all over New Vegas. The 1911 would also be common, and give us one of those cool cases where an ammo type can be used in more than one gun and make sense.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:36 am

I would GECKulate that 45ACP will definitely be in the game, it's one of the most common, most popular handgun cartridges used in America, and was prevalent back in the day when the Fallout3 theme is grounded. Given the gangster-theme of Las Vegas and the romantic attachment of the Thompson and the Gangster, I think it would frankly svck if we didn't have Thomspon-wielding-gangster-guards all over New Vegas. The 1911 would also be common, and give us one of those cool cases where an ammo type can be used in more than one gun and make sense.

Well be very disappointed because New Vegas is ran by Robots and if there was a Tommy Gun or .45ACP in the game chances are we would have seen it by now. Again I said chances are, which means there is that slight chance the Tommy Gun or .45 ammo period is in New Vegas.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 am

Well be very disappointed because New Vegas is ran by Robots and if there was a Tommy Gun or .45ACP in the game chances are we would have seen it by now. Again I said chances are, which means there is that slight chance the Tommy Gun or .45 ammo period is in New Vegas.

Hmmmm, we'll see I guess, as not All of New Vegas is run by robots, so I don't see that as a criteria for adding/not-adding a Tommy Gun to the game. Given the common-nature of the Tommy Gun and it's connection to Americana is pretty strong, so my bet is that we see em in the game. We'll see!

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:57 pm

I highly doubt it'll make it in the game. If they put the old grease gun in 9mm, there's a good chance that they'll just use 9mm or 10mm for the Tommy Gun if it makes it in at all. They already have enough ammo types as is.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:44 am

It does.

god has spoken.

:foodndrink:

im excited now

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:47 am

I highly doubt it'll make it in the game. If they put the old grease gun in 9mm, there's a good chance that they'll just use 9mm or 10mm for the Tommy Gun if it makes it in at all. They already have enough ammo types as is.

This is the most logical reason why both the M1911 and the Thompson both won't be in the game. If all three weapons were in the game, making .45ACP an ammo type would have made sense. Since the M3 is in 9mm, it makes absolutely no sense to have the other guns. It may be possible that the Thompson could be in the game in another caliber, say 10mm, but I consider this highly unlikely. We already have a minimum of 3 SMGs in the game, 4 if the FO3 10mm SMG is in also.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:39 pm

If the Tommy Gun is in the game but does not use a .45 it would not be a Tommy.

Fallout has a history of making ammo for just one weapon. The 2mm for the Gauss Rifle. 14mm for the 14mm pistol. FO New Vegas looks like it's adding the .50cal for only one weapon as well as the 12.7.

New Vegas is to have twice as many weapons as FO3. So why not bring in the .45 cal?

I can see the point it would be to much work seeing as how we now have different ammo types for the same rounds. Still can you ever have to many guns and ammo calibers?

It's also a fallout history thing. Two Fallouts have had the .45 cal why take it away now? Even if the ammo is only good for two weapons it still adds options to the game and variety. Having alot of 9mm's are great but they all pack the same punch or close to it.

Variety and options for RPG is great we can all agree on that. I am sure there will be a mode that will add .45 cal to the game so we can have the Tommy Gun and Colt 1911 and I bet it will be out soon after. In that case Modders could do it within a short time why can't the Devs?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:55 pm

Perhaps the classic

"Uh...we didn't have time...but if you have 120 MS Points there's a DLC coming out"

PS If this is what happens remember where you heard it first

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:48 am

Perhaps the classic

"Uh...we didn't have time...but if you have 120 MS Points there's a DLC coming out"

PS If this is what happens remember where you heard it first

I did not think of that. I hope a DLC comes out with it if the game does not have it

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:51 am

I find it funny how nerds like me are calling gun nuts, nerds.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:39 pm

Ok ok, will a dev please since we cannot link any magazine scan's and all that kind of funky shizz nasty stuff on here enlighten us with my very one ultimate & simple question . . .

The Virigin Mary Pistol, the pistol that was refered to as a Colt .45 in said magazine take 9mm as said on wiki or .45 ammo?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:46 am

I think I saw a colt .45 in a gameplay video shooting at dogs... It was the one with the enclave bot at the beginning, the teaser.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:25 pm

The easiest way to differentiate a M1911 from a P35 is to look at the front of the slide. The slide on both weapons makes up the entire top of the pistol and is the part that moves when the action is cycled. Look specifically at the front end of the slide. On the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M1911A1.JPG, the front of the slide has no machining that necks down the thickness on the first coupla inches or so. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Browning_High-Power_9mm_IMG_1526.jpg has a noticable neck, with the vertical line formed by the machining merge easy to see at any time since it is on the most visable part of the weapon. There are other visual cues, but this is the most easy way to tell the difference.

Ok ok, will a dev please since we cannot link any magazine scan's and all that kind of funky shizz nasty stuff on here enlighten us with my very one ultimate & simple question . . .

The Virigin Mary Pistol, the pistol that was refered to as a Colt .45 in said magazine take 9mm as said on wiki or .45 ammo?

I think I saw a colt .45 in a gameplay video shooting at dogs... It was the one with the enclave bot at the beginning, the teaser.

Please take a very close look at the pictures posted by me in the first quote. Then look at the footage in question. You will see that the pistol is a Browning Hi-Power P35 in 9mm and not a M1911 in .45ACP. Also, for your reference, here's the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/9mm_pistol_(Fallout:_New_Vegas), and here's its unique version the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Virgin_Mary_pistol. You can click on the little pic to make it bigger like the real ones in my quote. Or better yet, http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/imagepreview.asp?cat_id=094&type_id=103&content=null.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:29 pm

Damn. If that's the nine mil, I wanna see the .45... Colt fourty five and two zig-zags..

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:14 pm

Simplified for those of us who are not as familiar with this stuff, it all boils down to how you determine the impact force of the bullet. There's basically two sides to this one: Light and fast vs. Heavy and slow.

Joe Velocity says kinetic energy is expressed as 1/2 mass x velocity² and uses that formula for impact force of a bullet.

Bob Diameter says the area of impact has an effect on the force transmitted to the target, and expresses that as mass x velocity x diameter.

They fight like fishwives over this stuff. I will give a few examples:

Joe Velocity says:

A 180 grain (a measure of the mass of the bullet) 10mm Auto bullet fired with a muzzle velocity (the speed the bullet leaves the gun) of 1030 feet per second will yield 425 foot pounds (a measure of force) at the muzzle. Light and fast.

A 230gr .45ACP bullet with a muzzle velocity of 900fps will leave the barrel with 415ftlb of force. Heavy and slow. Win for Joe right?

Bob Diameter counters with:

The 180gr 10mm bullet has a diameter of .400" so the impact energy (expressed in Taylor Knock Out Factor, which accounts for bullet diameter) is 10.6

The 230gr .45ACP bullet is bigger by .050" , and has a TKO of 13.4. Win for Bob right?

So you can see, it depends on what particular factor of bullet performance you consider most important. High velocity rounds travel flatter trajectories with less drift, while larger slower bullets have a large area of impact on the target and transfer more of their momentum. The key is to find a round that offers a good balance of both.

The larger the area of impact, the more the energy is spread on the target. This is counter-intuitive of leathal rounds, their killing power comes from penetration. (i am exagerating this point however, and that is to prove my other point). Through and through shots are alot more effective. They cause considerably more internal damage. A high powered round exerts all its energy into a smaller area in the front of the target, then leaves a graqefruit sized exit wound. (Im only applying this to anti-personel rounds(and of course not every anit-personel round)) But thats the general idea.... but then again, if you get shot with either of those rounds in the chest from 5 feet away it doesnt really matter.......Unless you haz Power Amour

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:11 pm

For the last time, there will be no .45ACP!!!! It's over. No more unexpected ammo types. Anything you think would be chambered in .45 like the Grease Gun, is now 9 or 10mm. The 9mm SMG is the new Grease Gun. Tommy Gun, if it makes it in the game, will probably be 9 or 10mm also.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:36 pm

The larger the area of impact, the more the energy is spread on the target. This is counter-intuitive of leathal rounds, their killing power comes from penetration. (i am exagerating this point however, and that is to prove my other point). Through and through shots are alot more effective. They cause considerably more internal damage. A high powered round exerts all its energy into a smaller area in the front of the target, then leaves a graqefruit sized exit wound. (Im only applying this to anti-personel rounds(and of course not every anit-personel round)) But thats the general idea.... but then again, if you get shot with either of those rounds in the chest from 5 feet away it doesnt really matter.......Unless you haz Power Amour

See. I told y'all there's two very vociferous sides on this one. Sneaky Pete sounds like a member of the Joe Velocity Crowd. Not that that's a bad thing. Others will now argue that less penetration means more energy inparted on the target. At least that's what they'll say. I personally believe both arguments have merit and a blend of the measures would probably be most accurate.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:41 am

See. I told y'all there's two very vociferous sides on this one. Sneaky Pete sounds like a member of the Joe Velocity Crowd. Not that that's a bad thing. Others will now argue that less penetration means more energy inparted on the target. At least that's what they'll say. I personally believe both arguments have merit and a blend of the measures would probably be most accurate.

And that's why we ended up with the .40 S&W.

Personally I think that both have merit, but I feel that you need one that does one thing well as opposed to a jack of all trades and go for one side or the other.

Being as this is a game, I feel that it won't really matter how fast a bullet goes and the pistol damage will simply be a number based off of the perceived effect and not real world velocity and penetration.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:21 pm

For the last time, there will be no .45ACP!!!! It's over. No more unexpected ammo types. Anything you think would be chambered in .45 like the Grease Gun, is now 9 or 10mm. The 9mm SMG is the new Grease Gun. Tommy Gun, if it makes it in the game, will probably be 9 or 10mm also.

When was this confirmed that there will be no new ammo types? Have a link? Someone should up date the Vault then and post the ammo types. Guessing the 2mm is not going to be in... :sad:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:10 am

god has spoken.

:foodndrink:

im excited now

Did nobody notice this? lol
Same here i'm stoked as a mothaf**ka :foodndrink:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:01 am

And that's why we ended up with the .40 S&W.

Personally I think that both have merit, but I feel that you need one that does one thing well as opposed to a jack of all trades and go for one side or the other.

Being as this is a game, I feel that it won't really matter how fast a bullet goes and the pistol damage will simply be a number based off of the perceived effect and not real world velocity and penetration.

That's basically what they're doing. Case in point, although it's sorta off topic is the .44mag round fired from a lever-action rifle will have the same damage as the .308 fired from the hunting rifle. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1114085-weaponsmods-and-ammo-mega-thread-2/page__view__findpost__p__16351137

When was this confirmed that there will be no new ammo types? Have a link? Someone should up date the Vault then and post the ammo types. Guessing the 2mm is not going to be in... :sad:

The vault still doesn't have the .45-70 Gov or missles listed, either. Now if I wasn't so damn lazy maybe I'd get off my butt and edit............nah.

Did nobody notice this? lol
Same here i'm stoked as a mothaf**ka :foodndrink:

Yes we all noticed it. There has been condsiderable discussion about the relative damage of this round and it's use in the hunting rifle. See the above linked posts, since they covered the .308 vs. the .44mag.