oh and to all those who chime in with " i have xxxxx time.. level xxxx... ive got no problems!!!!!111one"... You will, the deciding factor is not your ps3's model, your consoles age, it is purely down to the size and speed of your HDD. Alot of you without issues will find you have copious amounts of space left on your HDD< slowly being eaten by the PS3's VRAM. Dont forget, your HDD size onscreen is calculated based off of whats stored there, not whats taken by other processes, those with 10GB wont have that 10GB free during the game.

I haven't had a problem since the updates and I've done everything apart from return the guild to its former glory, surely there's more people like me?

Okay, I've been trying to make people realize for quite some time, but if you live in a developed nation you are LEGALLY ENTITLED to a refund. This means that regardless of what stupid Bethesda says in their stupid warranty or their stupid terms and conditions or even what the stupid guy at Gamestop says ITS YOURS FOR THE TAKING whenever you so choose.

Why?

Because when Bethesda sold you that product they promised a certain amount of playability/longevity. Do you remember all those guys throwing up the fact that you could get 300 hours out of it? Well mine broke only 75 hours in which means that already they have failed to live up to the standards under which they sold it to you. They have breached their contract of sale, Defrauded you and left you out in the cold. Which is ILLEGAL

If you live in the England read this: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/consumer-rights-refunds-exchange (Crucial Stuff: Sale of Goods Act 1979.)


anywhere else just google consumer rights and your country's name and you will be able to find all the resources you need

Now get out there and get your money back the way real men do instead of just trading it in and letting Bethesda take your money like some schoolyard bully you're afraid to confront.

That site is highly suspect. Try an official site that has that information. I have tried in the past and all places tell me if there's a glitch they can only ONLY exchange for the same game..

I linked to that site because it lays things out fairly clearly and people seem to be having trouble understanding some of the concepts such as Implied Warranty, The point is, almost every country has a Government Website telling you what your rights are and believe me you are entitled to a full refund and not just an exchange or store credit. Just be assertive and ask to speak with a manager, refer to your rights specifically, they'll fold.

Just to point out - i didnt read the whole thread as it got WAY to big.

But the point is:

This is and yet is not a memory leak. Its more a "deliberate" memory leak. They are loading things into memory and leaving them there on purpose because that is how they programmed it in. There is ways around alot of the reasons the dev there mentioned, they just didnt do them as it would require rewriting the whole game from scratch, which lets face it, they didnt do, they just took the same architecture of the previous uses and changed its theme.

My point is, Obsidian were given the gamebryo custom engine by Beth for NV. FO3 however, is probably the most recent configuration of this architecture, since that was the last time the gamebryo engine was radically changed by its creator emergent.

Now the overall thing i wanted to point out, and il bold for those who dont read paragraphs:

This problem does not make it a game deliberately designed for the Xbox Thats the key point i want to get across, the reasons:

1. Gamebryo was always designed soley for the PC. Ive been using gamebryo's engine for nearly 5 years now, ive ported it over to the PS3's "enforced" Variation of C, as well as used it on C# of the Xbox. It runs better on the xbox purely because the xbox runs the closest you can get to a microsoft based PC running DirectX, whereas the PS3 requires alot more changes to even get it to run at all. Emergent have helped on this front, or at least tried, but even they willingly admit that it was never designed to be used in the way is required by PS3 usage.

2. Perhaps the most important reason: Both the PC and the Xbox Will eventually run into this issue. Look at it this way, on systems with finite memory this is always an inevitability. Two things will happen, either the game will run out of items to commit to memory, or youl run out of memory for the game to commit to. Most high end PC's will be hit by the former, having far more memory then is needed. The Xbox however will hit the same problem the PS3 hits, as i truly believe the size of skyrim (as in resource requirement) is larger than the Xbox's limits. The only difference is the Xbox will hit it far later than the PS3 (due to the reasons explained in the first post).



Overall, its a fundamental flaw of the engine, known from the outset that eventually this method would hit this problem, its how most of the recent TES and FO have all been programmed. They had the choice of changing this but that would take considerably more time, Far more time than the budget probably would have lasted. Lets face it, bethesda may have considerable power behind this brand, but their open world games have reached their limit on this engine, they had on oblivion. So instead of waiting 2-4 years longer than we have already to program a new engine, source a new architecture and program the game essentially from scatch, they spent considerably shorter, programming atop of the FO3 architecture and re-writing the render.

Its commendable that they managed to pull what they have from this dieing beast of an engine, an engine whom Emergent have recently decided to cease development and begin again on a newer more powerful approach,however at its core the same flaws exist. The new render is there to cover up its aging graphics capability, the somewhat archaic systems at work in skyrim work to keep it going, hiding most of the flaws quite well. However theres no covering up a limitation imposed by the programming itself.


Bottom Line:

This isnt a problem that cant be fixed as its a feature of the engine itself. Patches can only minimise the load and hope to "put off " this problem as long as possible into the game, however ultimately the issue will happen. As said in the first post, the addition of DLC will 99% eventually involve the removal of content from the original game, as part of the story sure, but the fact is there wont be enough room to handle any large DLC (as promised) on the current format.




oh and to all those who chime in with " i have xxxxx time.. level xxxx... ive got no problems!!!!!111one"... You will, the deciding factor is not your ps3's model, your consoles age, it is purely down to the size and speed of your HDD. Alot of you without issues will find you have copious amounts of space left on your HDD< slowly being eaten by the PS3's VRAM. Dont forget, your HDD size onscreen is calculated based off of whats stored there, not whats taken by other processes, those with 10GB wont have that 10GB free during the game.







In reference to the above and anyone who thinks like the guy above. No one has ever said it was a new engine, they claimed it was a new renderer, they re-wrote a small part of Emergents Gamebryo engine for skyrim as it was getting quite old. As it is, the core engine remains the same one used in the others.

However, even the retailer i.e Gamestop, GAME, EB games etc. has a legal obligation under most countries consumer laws to broker an outcome for a consumer who has a a faulty product. There are so many different ways to nail Bethesda, or the retailer, it's insane. I went and got my money back the other day. Manager knew exactly what kind of rights I was referring to.

Did you have a receipt?

Problem is a lot of these places always look at you like your speaking [censored]. If I went in and told them they would probably say no because no mention of an announcement by Bethesda

So, speaking from your experience do you think they will do whatever they have to fix the problem permanently or is it something that takes far too much money and effort to do?

Did you have a receipt?

Problem is a lot of these places always look at you like your speaking [censored]. If I went in and told them they would probably say no because no mention of an announcement by Bethesda

Yeah I had my receipt with me but I returned it about 2 1/2 weeks after purchase. The best thing you can do is always be polite but stick to your guns. If the guy behind the counter says no tell him that you find his solution unacceptable and you would like to speak with a manager. You can also refer them to many mainstream media outlets who have referenced the issues in published articles.

Essentially be polite but don't leave till they've given you your money, because your legally entitled to get it back from them and it's technically illegal for them to say no.

If they can fee up some memory the problem should become better, maybe for most playable but probably not really fixed, as the problem could occur again and again, the more persistent data is saved and needs to stay in the memory. And with additional DLCs it might even get worse.


I don't know. Unfortunately we don't know what Skyrim thinks is so important to always keep in the memory what Oblivion didn't. It's hard to say whether there's much unneeded stuff that Bethesda could free up or if most of it is important for the game and Bethesda can't do much about it or if it's just bloated with useless clutter where a simple clean up would be sufficient.
I don't think there's something fishy with the comment of the New Vegas developer. Makes sense and would explain the problems perfectly and he has worked with the engine already and should know how it works and he would gain nothing by telling lies about the engine
The only fishy thing is that with a engine that works like this, it should have been predictable that memory problems will occur. And release the game without making sure, that there is a limit on how much data is saved, so it will always fit into the memory is unjustifiable.

Never played Just Cause, but Ubi did a really great job with the new Assassin's Creed as well. Looks beautiful and runs very nice