To be fair we don't actually know what Obsidian wanted to make with Fallout: New Vegas. Would they have preferred an isometric game? Maybe. Did they want to make a Bethesda-like game? This is also possible. If it's one thing I'll say about Obsidian it is that they aren't afraid of trying new things as risky as it is for them.

Personally, I don't care if a few people at Obsidian worked on the original Fallouts. All I care about is Obsidian is the company that did Knights of the Old Republic 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2, which means you couldn't pay me enough to get Fallout: New Vegas.

That's the thing I don't get. Old Fallout fans seems to think that simply because some of the original creators are working on it, it's "guaranteed" to be good. Nothing in life is guaranteed. And what's even funnier is that you've noticed how people think it isn't guaranteed, and http://duckandcover.cx/falloutevolutionsmall.png. Sadly, under Fallout 3, the calm, collected opinions you guys in that picture that you supposedly express are the polar opposite of what you really feel, and how you really express them. And now that people think that your precious original creators are, shock, human, and have the ability to fail, we somehow think that "Dem be ruinin da franchise!"

Old Fallout fans never gave Fallout 3 a chance, no matter how much they say they did, and of course they hate it now that it's out. Now that a few of the original creators are working on the next game, suddenly it's going to be perfect in every way and will be a million times better than Fallout 3, despite the fact that we have had only 3 magazine articles about it so far, and no gameplay clips yet. Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?

That's not to say that there weren problems with fo3, and given what we've heard about the writing, the warring factions, etc, I see nv eclipsing fo3 very easily. It has the immersion that fo3 kicked backside at, and the multitude of paths and choices that fo1/2 so replayable.

Right off the bat you start out as a nobody unaware of their mission perogative or even their own backstory. It's already a major improvement after Fallout 3's "LOL IMA FIND DAD AND SAVE WURLD" premise. Sure, the actions of the Vault Dweller and Chosen One reached far beyond what they had intended to do, and they ended up saving The Wasteland as well from the threats of The Master and The Enclave. But it certainly wasn't intentional at first.

People didn't want it. People bought it because it was available.

The only people who wanted a sequel were the "hardcoe" fanbase. A cursosry explanation of Fallout 3 fans shows that they are people who had no connection to the original series whatsoever, so they couldn't want a sequel.

Nice way to not understand the point. Point was, game is a luxury, so not having a sequel is not a tragedy.

Bethesda has been making the same type of games since 1994. They aren't known for innovation, stuck in the past for over 16 years, developing the same type of game over and over again.

Completely disagree. The I have no memory and must discover my past is proably as used as chase my missing loved one and finish their work. Saving the wasteland in fo3 clearly wasn't intentinal at first, neither was taking down the enclave.

Yes, because classic fallout fans are just like Gary, we're all clones.

I am a proud classic fallout fan, and I like fallout 3. Granted, storywise it isnt up to fo1/2's standard, but those were damned big shoes to fill and beth did a reasonably good job.

Do I think I'll ever replay fo3 as much as I have 2, no. Do I think it's worth the awards it's won, yes.

That's not to say that there weren problems with fo3, and given what we've heard about the writing, the warring factions, etc, I see nv eclipsing fo3 very easily. It has the immersion that fo3 kicked backside at, and the multitude of paths and choices that fo1/2 so replayable.

Nobody said anything about the courier having lost his memory.

Nobody said anything about the courier having lost his memory.

If that's the case, I'm not sure we know enough about the pcs background story to declare it better or less clique than fo3. All we have is guy leaves you fr dead and you want to know why/ revenge.

Either way I find the idea focusing on me figuring out what the heck just happened to me way more intriguing than being forced to care about my dad and follow him around trying to figure out what he's up to. Cliche or not, most stories have already been told--some are just more appealing than others I think.

My mistake, I thought I read that somewhere.

If that's the case, I'm not sure we know enough about the pcs background story to declare it better or less clique than fo3. All we have is guy leaves you fr dead and you want to know why/ revenge.

It's still a difference to care about yourself, or even don't at all, or to be forced into finding your dear Da and being a good child regardless of what you heinous acts you committed the Wasteland. Plus, the story has much more possibilities to continue if you're not that focused on finding one single person. Aaaand as I see now I'm not the only person thinking that it's way more interesting. ^_^

I'm very glad the vault-theme is not central anymore, its been Done and Done at this point, time for something Else in the Fallout world to capture our imaginations.

With regards to amnesia, it can be a tricky thing. You don't alway forget everything when afflicted with it, sometimes you only forget things after or before a certain point to another.
For example if you survived a very traumatizing experience, it's quite possible that your mind suppresses things to do with that event automatically as a mechanism to cope with it.