Doesn't it happen with every game in any series? I have not seen any series where that does not happen. It really gets irritating seeing people act like that without giving the game a chance.

Good job guys! Instead of turning your attention to maybe another Fallout game that doesnt svck you decide to make yet another MMO. Like the world doesn't have enough of those already! All this is going to be is WoW with dragon shouts. Jesus, E-mail me when you decide to make a game for the real fans and want my money.

I'd say that when a game garners the critical acclaim and sales numbers that Skyrim has, it proves the naysayers wrong on several fronts. Namely the front that involved repeatedly prophesying terrible reviews and sales.

You see, the outcry isn't just on these forums, it's on every online gaming forum with a TESO subsection. When you pretty much say that you have an EQ based game straight up, there's not much to speculate about. It's there, written in plain text for all to see, because it's the developers that told us.

God bless them for their honesty, or maybe Cthulu, for they seek their own destruction being the foolish mortals they are.

Same thing happened with Skyrim, and many of the same people were spreading the same crap across multiple forums.

They were wrong then, and based on prior performance, I'm betting they're wrong now. But since no one's actually seen more than a few screenshots, I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one knows.

No. Skyrim wasn't based off of EQ. It wasn't mentioned as having "EQ mechanics". It didn't use WoW terminology when mentioning difficulty levels i.e. "hard modes". What is there to refute? They flat-out told us that it was EQ-based.

'Course I don't. Why would I? Certainly somebody like yourself who has no concept of net profit knows better than any financial anolyst on the planet.

Discounting? Who needs it? Total costs? Who needs them? EA stock plummeting because the RoI on SWToR is garbage? Hah, speculation!

Economic cost? Pointless. The only thing that matters is revenue.

You, Sir, would make a fine Greek accountant.

First things first, they mentioned that the game will have some familiar mechanics from WoW/EQ. That's not the same as saying the game is EQ-based.

Now that's cleared up: please read the posts before responding. I'm not saying people claimed Skyrim was an EQ clone, because that would have been silly. But the same phenomenon happens with every new Elder Scrolls game. All the "True 100% Angus-Beef RPG Fans™" come out of the woodwork and start screaming about how this game is going to ruin the series, RPGs, gaming in general, and the whole world. They've never been right. Not once.

I promise you nothing you type here is going to stop the game from being made. Why are you still here? Go play Skyrim via LAN when the whole game is easily soloable.

If they wouldnt care about the TES fans and would have made it for "other people" as in "woW players" they wouldnt have made it a TES game...

they just think that the TES community wont be enaugh people (wich is wrong) and that only an MMO that plays like WoW (aka the safe route) can suceed ironically this is not the safe route as this path always leads to doom.

and no this is not the same thing as with skyrim . this time they change things around HARD as in hard to reckognize its an ES game. And MOST of the Fans on the Skyrim board actually didnt condem Skyrim. thats just lies you made up to prove something that you cant otherwise.

Let's clear something up indeed. I don't belong to the 100% Angus-Beef TES fanatics; I belong to the 100% WoW-playing-morons who are somewhat familiar with TES, but aren't raving lunatics. This is entirely different, because I never cared enough to complain before as I liked the games as single-player RPGs and really didn't care about the "integrity" of the entire series.

What I do care about is millions of dollars being burned as they were with SWToR to produce yet another themepark game using a quality franchise. That is what I'm rallying against. Perhaps if it were the world of darkness, or other good IP I'd do the same, but the world of darkness is supposedly going sandbox, so..

Yeah. You've got me and the thousands like me figured out wrong.

Your opinions don't matter either. So why bother expressing them?

Skyrim .. is soloable on any difficulty. Always has been. It's part of the reason I don't play it anymore. You get to a point in the game where it ceases to be a challenge on grandmaster and you have to look for mods etc.

I still got my 100+ hours out of it, so definitely no complaints.

So WoW is the only MMO that kept you hooked for years?

Exactly,the wheels have been set in motion and anyone who does not like it can jump off at the next stop,the wheels will keep on turning.

Ahem. Bethesda is making DLC for Skyrim right now and will probably create Fallout 4 after that for the next generation consoles. An entirely different team is doing the TES MMO.

It's lovely to see how many on these forums know what they are talking about.

On and off, but .. yes. No other MMO, not even EverCrack, AO, RO (ugh), or anything else that has released in the past 8 years.

I'm now quite sick of it and haven't played it for over a year. At this point I've played so much WoW that I can't stand hotkey-based combat anymore.

TERA has great combat, but .. well.. everythign else is dull, uninspired and taken from EQ/WoW.

The thing is there is no perfect MMO. Everyone had different standards. WoW was the best for you it seems. Maybe a game similar to WoW with more open world PvP and realm pride would be good for you. Maybe if the game is fun you could get over te hotkey thing. You could always buy a gaming controller and rebound te keys to be more like a console game.

Are you two aware that Bethesda Game Studios are not working on this game? It's not their game. Rather it is being made by Zenimax Online? Different companies, different buildings, different staff. The only thing that the two companies have in common is being under the Zenimax umbrella and Bethesda Softworks being the publisher. And The Elder Scrolls concept.

TES as we know it will continue to be made by Bethesda Game Studios as will Fallout for those of us with no interest in MMOs, that is good news. With different companies and different dev teams, one should not and I don't believe will have much effect on the other. No attention has been "turned". Zenimax is the Mother company of Bethesda Game Studios, Bethesda Softworks, Zenimax Online, ID Software, Arkane Studios, and Tango Gameworks and as such, they invest in each of those companies who make their own products.

I love TES, but this is a travesty...

-The idea they have for this so-called "TES:O" would do much better if it was an MMO developed by Zenimax unrelated to TES lore.
-Fans aren't gonna like this crap and the MMO market is just going to see another random fantasy game. The lore is NOT what makes TES unique. It's the game play, combat and freedom of movement.
-You want to make a TES Online game. Start by making it feel like a TES game!!

Yes, quite aware. I know ZO is responsible for development, not Bethesda as was stated in the article, although Bethesda Soft is publishing it. I just don't like seeing good IP used for foul purposes and after the stunt SWToR pulled, I've become rather cynical.

You see, there are two possible outcomes:

A. It succeeds (VERY, very unlikely in my worthless, humble opinion)

In that case, the TES MMO I would have enjoyed and preferred to play will not be made.

B. It fails (Likely)

In that case, nobody will touch the TES franchise with a 10 yard pole (for online purposes) and I'll have to dream about Morrowind/Skyrim online until retirement.

I hope you realize that this game has been in production for quite some time and is scheduled to release next year. There are few opportunities to "shift & change over time through development".

I'll tell you exactly what this means. Like me (joined a few days ago), many who are usually among the silent majority are on there way here to be heard. We may go to gaming sites and browse, but we usually just keep our mouth shut and play games. We don't troll forums, and we don't have "veteran member" status, because we spend our time purchasing and gaming where we want to.

The scale of disapointment with the information released is causing many of those who would just be content to read, to want to speak up. Get used to new members, because you are going to see alot more.

It's an odd thing to be worrying about someone else's money. I mean, Zenimax have clearly decided they can invest in this and risk their capital on it. Given that the bulk of the expenditure has taken place by now they can obviously afford it without it impacting on other areas of the business.

Bethesda Game Studios has more devs than it ever had, Zenimax has acquired other dev teams and green-lighted new projects as well as releasing several games since development started on the MMO.

Why would anyone worry about whatever Zenimax is spending on this?

Historical return, volatiliy and what other future investors will think when they see what happens with this title.

Most likely, they'll think "We're not investing in another MMO."

So, that's the absolute worst case scenario, is we never see another MMO made from TES. The SP games do extremely well; you'd have to be braindead to cancel those because an MMO didn't sell.