1) Not all the bugfixes are minor, by far. I suggest you reading the complete changelog before talking out of ignorance. And still, even IF they were minor, 2k annoyances sure are a serious lot of annoyances.

Besides, it also depends of the gameplay of the player. Halo-like players who rush to complete quests and doesn't care much about anything but hacking&slashing will surely run and notice much less bugs than roleplayers.

And 2) Size is no excuse for leaving bugs unfixed. Bethesda had (and has) a nice team and resources in order to fix those bugs. They just have to use them.

Oblivion was their best-selling game at the time (remember all those awards?) and was superseded in value by Fallout 3 and Skyrim, not to mention all of them are GOTYs. Ironing out every single bug in games as complicated as these is incredibly difficult because of the demand and time. Bugs aren't going to stop the Bethesda train any time soon, so don't be surprised if it's just gon'na keep a-chuggin.

Not all files just the ones that got affected and Softworks was in charge of Q&A with New Vegas.

I feel this is going to get off topic quickly so I'm going to leave it at that.

Time, my friend, time; a defining factor for any production.

it doesnt matter the size whoao last time i checked games with 5 hours tend to have less lets say 20 bugs then games with 24 hours
okay some of them are a Big deal but Really in a Pc i dont seem to notice and im very VERY SLOW PLAYING the game i spend 1 month in the imperial city almost with every character before adventure in the cyrodiil
BTW i hate Halo games but for people who like are dumb as Hell? didnt knew that!
apperantly, if people play Call of duty they must be stupid or something?

That's of no coherence to my argument, this one question is: did you buy Skyrim?

i am xbox user but bethesda and their marketing team with Pete Hines leading the pack absolutely is handling all this dg situation wrong.

I'd be satisfied with the bugs referring to the code (being on PC myself and all of that). But for consoles, game/quest-breaking bugs would also be required to be fixed. And there are a looot of those kind in Oblivion (including the infamous one for the Vampirism Cure quest).

And I repeat, not even time justifies giving up support on a broken product. Even Starcraft got a patch 10 years after it's release.

I have for the PS3: biggest waste of ￡40 I have ever made, a broken and faulty product that Bethesda knew well in advance that it was broken. I wont be buying any of their games again unless I have a PC powerful enough to run it at full spec.

But you're still in their market because you want to buy their product. It may be a ponderous and emaciated victory, but the fact remains that they still have their customer. The poor folks at Sony however...

Sony still has its users and many Studios that can actually be bothered to Port/code properly for the PS3- Bethesda has just been lazy in their programming and PR. Also I don't think you quite understand the big if attached to a PC, I have much more necessary things to buy before I think about spending ￡800+ on a good gaming machine that will not get that much use. I wouldn't be surprised that if Bethesda make a new game on the PS3 that it will flop because game after game has been faulty, broken and practically NO support from Bethesda, you can only push console users so far before they just wont buy your product.

If this affects Bethesda, then I'll return to my original statement about unprofessional actions yielding negative results, and if this is the case, then they'll adapt; ergo, "I think they know what they're doing."

Agreed on the general sentiment towards IGN... and WHY I ignore their site completely. They're no different, from what I can see, from rags like The Enquirer, and the writing is about on par as well. IMO, anyone who thumbs their nose at IGN gets a high-five from me. When they "don't get it" and decide to "up the ante" to a refused interview, it's BLATANTLY obvious that the intent is to stir the pot, get that manure disturbed. Don't really give on whit about Hines, and even less about what he does for BGS, but in his place, with Dishonored crunching, yeah, I think I'd tell them to go blow. So, high-five Pete my man.

I'm not disagreeing with you about IGN, they are trolls but him refusing to do an interview is just not good, especially right now with the PR mess that Beth has with Dawnguard for PS3 and Heartfire. I'd rather he answer questions and give us updates then hiding his head in the sand.

Most game's have bugs no matter how well their cleaned up, just most of the bugs that are left in any game are so minor players won't notice them or find them majority of the time.

Never trusted IGN never will, when it comes to gaming news I go to Gamerevolution as they don't smear their face all over the media. I find Gamerevolution's news to be quite trust worthy as they tend to leave their opinions aside..

But look at it from his perspective. If they have new news, it will likely be released here or in a mass statement. Other than that, it's just the same statement over and over again, "Nope, nothing." And then the guys who misquote or misrepresent you (whether they did or not, besides the point if he felt they did) want an INTERVIEW? No, he was right to decline. Any statements SHOULD be public statements, not private interviews to news[censored]s.

Lot's of people distrust IGN, not really a fan of them myself but from the video where they discussed Skyrim, I can't say I heard anything they said that was a lie, in fact much of what they said has been stated for months in the PS3 issues forum.

So yes you can dismiss IGN as sellouts etc, that's fine but what they said about Skyrim was pretty much the truth imo and ime.

I agree with this
IGN is just sticking up for us ps3 users not to mention while nobody else is I don't like IGN but atleast they are on our side.

There's a HUGE difference between "on your side" and "fishing for hits". It's really so transparent, it's silly. The only possible reason to print old news/no news as new news, and stir the pot, is for a "ratings" (hits) bump. The fact that they've now invited bad blood from a major gaming house, as a major gaming reviewer/site is, well, just bad business sense. Again, same reason why Enquirer/Star don't get the exclusives. 10 to 1 any ZeniMax exclusives go to anyone BUT IGN.

you'd high five someone who called you a liar and then ran away to hide under their bed?

No, I'd high five someone who felt that they were taken advantage of by an entity that kind of has a reputation for doing that and responded by telling them to go scratch and then refusing to take their calls. Matter of perception. The way I see it, when your business relies on the good will of other companies, you don't intentionally set out to kill that good will unless you WANT that to be your story. Otherwise, you take the polite decline and move on.

Do we not know what supposedly set this all off?

Professional Greg Miller is an oxymoron.

Pete Hines is in no way obligated to talk to IGN or any other news outlet. It is preferable for him to do so as a way of spreading information quickly and in a manageable way. But in no way an obligation.
He can refuse an interview. It's not a big deal.
And why anyone would want to conduct an interview with the colourless fools at IGN is beyond me.

Refusing an interview based on certain grounds such as to 'cover-one's-tracks' is unethical - however that isn't what Pete Hines is doing. There is nothing new to be said about the PS3 release of Dawnguard, nothing new at all. They are working on it, they can't work 'faster' than they already are and by no means have they 'left people in the dust'.
Regurgitating "news" is redundant. And a waste of energy.

He did nothing wrong and to think so is foolish.

Best of hope to the PS3 users. I hope you'll be able to play Dawnguard soon.

Was IGN "fishing for hits", who knows, but we ultimately know IGN's thoughts on the matter and their stance. If anything they are supporting the PS3 gamers and giving them a right to be angry, instead of just being " whiny complainers with an inferior platform", or such ridiculous claims. The fact that Bethesda claimed that the PS3 was given more attention, or how the PS3 version was running fine, should anger gamers as they were blatant lies. On top of this Pete claimed that the statements IGN made were untrue, without calling them out on anything they claimed. Refusing an interview is one thing but calling people liars is going on a whole other level. Hell, if IGN is "stirring the pot", that's what it will take to get Bethesda to change or to talk.