whats funny is after that exploit , conjuration/2h/1h/bow are still far better and without having to cheat.

no i didnt say you had to play a "battle mage" type.... i said thats my preference, if u want to play as a pure mage.. .by all means go ahead, but be smart about it, take a look at the different spells and determine a strategy you want to use..if u cant onehit them then go for cheaper spells or get +damage enchs for destro... look at your possiblities...anyway this is getting boring as we could discuss this all night. if u dont agree on anything im saying then youre just being silly and argumenting for no apperent reason, ppl call it trolling.

OK, so there are a whole raft of threads here slating Destruction, but I just thought that I would add to the choir. It beggars belief how they could spend three years on this game, play-test the living bejesus out of it, and no-one turned around and said, "hey, anyone else think that Destruction magic is absolute crap?" Relying on Destruction magic on the normal difficulty level leads to death after death as you fall ignominiously to simple bandit hordes, and strafe endlessly in circles hoping that your foes don't manage to hit you before your magicka can refill. I'm honestly perplexed as to how this could have happened. What were they thinking? I have been fantasising about playing as a pure Altmer mage for the past year, and it's just unbelievable how nerfed the whole Destruction magic school has become. I'm ten hours in and seriously considering starting over as a Bosmer thief or something. I know that I can use other schools of magic, and I have, but why I can't fry and shock my foes and have it be as effective as hitting them with weapons or arrows is just unfathomable. As it stands playing as a mage is needlessly fiddly and mindnumbingly tedious.

Sounds to me like you're just not that good at the game - take some time to get used to the system before bagging it. I'm using magic more then anything else in the game and it absolutely owns. I used to think I needed a shield, but now I just dual cast spells and pretty much blow everything to bits. I can take down a dragon with JUST SHOCK SPELLS - if anything, magic is too easy.

People just love complaining.

Read your post you DID suggest it. Now your ignoring numbers and your own posts. Stop embarrassing yourself. Enemy has 1000 hp. Beast spell is 150.... with a 5 second cast time. It kills my companions. Next best spell is only 120 it will take roughly 6-7 cawts to kill him. The spell consumes a fair amount of mana. These enemies often travel in groups. I might be able to kill one, but any more is pointless. A warrior can just charge through killing with little to no thought or planning. Why DOES a mage need to use 8 skills, a companion, and tons of potions to kill the same things? Your dancing around the point.

I'm officially done with you. Any person who ignores basic math is a troll straight up.

suggesting and forcing someone is not the same, learn the difference.

and as i said before, why are u using an AOE spell if you have companions with you? i told you that you should use common sense, i used the word logic just in case u didnt know the meaning of the word... now, stop trolling and start thinking. okay lets end the thread.

alright i havent played on high levels yet, and im not going pure mage as i mentioned earlier... its boring, but thats my opinion. my logic behind what i said was to be SMART about what/how you play... if u realize that destruction is not capable of delivering the damage needed, combine it with other spells, companions, pots, shouts... anything which works for YOU...

that is simple logic... i wasnt really talking about the full and perfectly calculated damage output of all the damage types in the game... i was jsut using the guy's own stats to prove a point.

Sounds to me like you're just not that good at the game - take some time to get used to the system before bagging it. I'm using magic more then anything else in the game and it absolutely owns. I used to think I needed a shield, but now I just dual cast spells and pretty much blow everything to bits. I can take down a dragon with JUST SHOCK SPELLS - if anything, magic is too easy.

People just love complaining.

suggesting and forcing someone is not the same, learn the difference.

and as i said before, why are u using an AOE spell if you have companions with you? i told you that you should use common sense, i used the word logic just in case u didnt know the meaning of the word... now, stop trolling and start thinking. okay lets end the thread.

I'm officially done with you. Any person who ignores basic math is a troll straight up.

That is kind of where I'm at. You can make your point until you're blue in the face, but the fact is there will always be trolls who take enjoyment in egging you on. Honestly, I don't think they even care.

The objective is met, I think. There are SO many threads on this topic with SO many insightful posts that Bethesda has to know this is an issue by now. I would be very surprised if we didn't get some resolution in the next patch, and if we do, I highly doubt any of the people harping against the topic will even notice.

Remember, you're writing to Bethesda, not the idiot who refuses to get it and tries to make it personal.

Read this.
http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20366

WARNING: Use of statistics and basic math. Those without an education of grade 5 or higher be warned!

Who said I DID? I told you the best spell and the consequences of it. Now the next best I can use is the 120. Your dancing around the point. Answer me. Why do mages have to do all of this to be an 1/8th as effective as a warrior. We are playing smart, we've managed to add up the math. Something you haven't done yet.

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Okay he's a troll can we just report him now? It's pretty evident.

Who said I DID? I told you the best spell and the consequences of it. Now the next best I can use is the 120. Your dancing around the point. Answer me. Why do mages have to do all of this to be an 1/8th as effective as a warrior. We are playing smart, we've managed to add up the math. Something you haven't done yet.

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Okay he's a troll can we just report him now? It's pretty evident.

Gamegee ~ read this thread. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1269321-clear-sky-unrelenting-force/page__p__19241470__fromsearch__1#entry19241470 and you will never have a problem as a mage, or at least i think you won't.