I hope you realize exact same reasons apply to vampires and as long as there is this line of thinking going on this wont get fixed. Here is this argument back. Simply reload if people get killed and then simply save them. Its as easy as "save your poor old citizens(who are charging the dragon) because usually you are fore warned with the sound of the dragon flying" (who is charging and langing on said citizens on the other side of the world cell.)

not really, nothing happens until you enter a city and the cell loads

OT, i've had 1 vamp attack in the 50 hours i've played skyrim since installing dawnguard, and have also seen other people say the same thing. i think it must be a bug causing the attacks to be so frequent.

There HAS to be a bug if Vampires are spawning in a cell you're not in and killing people; as others have said, stuff doesn't start until you enter the cell for it. There's also gotta be a bug if people are having such frequent attacks, because even when I sided with the Dawnguard, I only had like two or three attacks on cities and towns; most of them happened out in the wild.

At any rate, it seems like all people are doing is arguing that either it can't be happening or it is happening. Not everyone encounters every bug 100% of the time, so even though most of us haven't had the problem, none of us have the right to say the people experiencing this are exaggerating or lying. Just because I haven't had a horse fly off after dismounting in my 100+ hours of gameplay doesn't mean other people haven't had that happen. Same thing applies to this.

Can't we just settle for "it's most likely a bug and Bethesda will HOPEFULLY patch it before too long" instead of "OMG I'M NOT HAVING THIS PROBLEM U MUST BE LYING ABOUT IT LOLOLOL"?

Nobody is saying that it is completely false, but many are exaggerating AND blaming the game for their laziness. "Vamps are attacking...eh the guards will deal with it... [2 minutes later] Crap that guy with a quest that i will never do anyways is dead...time to yell at Beth because i play their game poorly"

The attacks vary across games, some get a lot of vampires in the raids, others have zero vampires. Some say the vampires are impossible to beat, others say its a cakewalk.

The guards (and the game) are aware of the vampire problem, heck some guards even commenting on it, saying something along the lines of 'these vampire attacks are getting out of hand'.

The attacks are a feature not a bug. There are many, many, many threads about this spread all across the forums about this topic, use those instead of stacking complaint threads. The devs probably don't really read into these much so you'd have a better chance at getting their attention if you sent an e-mail to them about the problem.

Can someone explain to me why some people are having such a hard time killing vampires that attack cities?They're usually dead within 10-12 seconds.

No. No one can really tell you why.

This is the most sensible post on the subject I've seen in a long time.

Know what? I didn't experience the (in)famous "blood on ice" bug that prevented people to buy the Windhelm house for my first three playthroughs. Incredibly lucky coincidence, uh? At first, I didn't understand the issue but once it happened to me and I investigated the problem deeply (I checked scripts and variables), I discovered that, by chance, I was doing things in a certain order that prevented the bug from happening!

This vampire issue must be similar because there's no way some people had a few, if not at all, attacks in the towns and others are reporting that NPC are battling vampires when the player is on the other side of the cell (thus, without any way to know about it). I know this is the Internet and people love to make up stuff but it would be the point? Also, some gaming sites reviews are mentioning it so this adds a certain credibility to the issue.

Okay - question for everyone - in an RPG game are NPC's important!

My humble opinion - OF COURSE THEY ARE!

If you kill off NPC's then you effectively reduce or break 'missions' and atmosphere / fubctionality (trading etc).

Without this you are left with an arcade type beat-up em type game with pretty graphics.

Why Bethesda doesn't 'value' these NPC's is beyond me?

They are the kings of RPG games and have never killed there NPC's off so casually in previous games.

Bethesda have created there best game to date with Skyrim and populated it with lovely characters and gazillions of lovely quests and missions.

WHY did they break this with Dawnguard?

Who made this decision about the random vamp attacks - i would love to know that!

I think in a reasonably sized population in which NPCs are replaceable they should be killed off casually, hell, I'd have whole towns be destroyed, buildings and all, potentially, in an ideal game.

However, Skyrim has a limited populace, which cannot afford these losses without breaking suspension of disbelief, and as they are not replaceable, random NPC deaths unfairly limits the player's potential through quests and merchants.

Will people stop claiming to fully understand the mechanics of these attacks too? As far as I am aware, we cannot view the scripts without the CK, we do not know how they work, and will not until the PC version comes out and someone can take a look in the CK. Maybe these attacks are bugged. Maybe they do only spawn at gates, or maybe only at specific points, or maybe in all cells. There's no way to reliably know, people can share their experiences, but Skyrim is glitchy and random enough to make it look different - for example, come out of Riften thieves' guild and find vamps in the market doesn't disprove the gate theory, as the vampires would be perfectly capable of reaching that point quickly via the back gate, nor does anything prove the gate theory. We will not know for certain without the CK.

I cannot believe Bethesda isn't aware of this, it's not just on these forums, a lot of sites have noticed it, so they must know. They might announce something soon, probably around the time of an announcement for the PC/PS3 versions.

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