Though what you say is guesswork, the racials could very well be one of the already includes "sets" of racial abilities or a chose one of all/some of the already included sets from other races. (in that case you basically get a reskin of race xy and nothing more)

As for the world first thing, depends greatly on how high the bonus is...

I don't mind being able to play any race in any alliance. I'm not really bothered about imperials being included either. What does upset me though, is that these options are being monetised when they charge full price for the game, AND you have to pay subscription.

When I buy a subscription based game I expect to be able to play all of the content. That seems reasonable.

Do you really find it impossible for people to disagree with you?

CEs are supposed to have incentives, and Zenimax clearly found some very good ones to offer. I bought it. Lots of people on this forum have already bought it. So I'd venture so far as to say that their business strategy is working.

I know when you created this poll you were convinced that it would reinforce your beliefs, but even in a forum which will have a higher frequency of negative reaction to things like this, you're still finding that most people are fine with the Imperial Edition.

Races don't have exclusive skill lines, there are just racials, which are really insignificant for the most part. Most likely just like the other races imperials will have racials close to that of the past TES games so actually IMHO the imperials racials will be undesirable in PvP adding the race to any alliance is simple something aesthetic you get for the CE.

The only bonus I have issues with is the Imperial race.

The others are merely time savers, as you would find in any other CE, or low level items that would be replaced in short order.

Even the play any action isn't a major issue (though it seems like a strange U turn this late in the games development, though only being linked to pre-orders suggests this is a sweeten the pot thing rather than listening to feedback and addressing concerns).

The race however is day 1 on disk DLC by another name. Made worse by payment model being implemented. So to have the unabridged game you now have to pay for the 'box' (￡50), the subscription (￡9 per month) and a race(+￡20, though I suspect this will appear in the cash shop in the future)? Will the vaunted additional skill trees being promised in the future also come with additional cost? Would it suprise people if they did? Seeing as how many are defending that very practice here, for something that in all honesty should be in the base game.

I couldn't give two [censored] about exp bonuses, have at them, I truly don't care. If someone wants to use them fine, I prefer to take my time with a game, but to each his own I suppose. What really angers me is that there is no logical reason that we shouldn't just get imperials in the base game other than the fact that whoever made this decision did so because they were looking for a cash grab. Greed is what it is when it comes down to it; I doubt anyone at ZOS had anything to do with this, probably some suit with a stick up his ass that doesn't know a thing about gaming, or how incendiary stuff like this becomes. None of this is P2W honestly, its just that when you make a game with a subscription in mind, that is done partly so you don't have to worry about nickel and diming your audience, you can cut the bull and just give the players a full experience. What Blizzard sells to its players is far less offensive than what ZOS is trying to do. This would acceptable if it was B2P, but with a subscription on top? No, that is going too far.

First of all, if anything, I expected there to be less of a negative reaction; the game's biggest supporters frequent this forum. And due to the usual crowd here, I would not judge the general view on this CE by the merit's of this forum because it probably has a greater bias in favor of ZOS. I haven't gone on any other MMO/gaming forum today so I don't know what's happening on other sites, but ESO is "reviled" in a sense elsewhere(too harsh a word but I I'm not articulate enough to think of another). Having incentives for CE's is all well and good, necessary in fact, but that doesn't give them leave to dip into the game's core assets and content just because they couldn't think of a good reason incentive. I would have like to have seen an overall negative view on the CE, true, but given that this news is probably faring worse on other gaming sites, that leads me to believe that those of you who did buy into the CE have accepted this level of [censored] in the past and are now accustomed to it.

So you get those benefits right from the start, by buying one imperial edition....but they never said anything about that it wouldn't be possible for everybody to play all races in all alliances and also be able to play as imperial in the future, say first content patch. Maybe u only pay to exclusively play imperial first before the rest does. So Horse and crab and rings (maybe also be included later for all) stay unique to CE. But the rest of it is just giving u the chance to be first to play it.

Heh - all payment methods in one game!

Price on box

Pay to play subscription

Payment shop

Now confirmed a huge leaning toward pay to win

At the very least then the devs are taking seriously the critique of too much restriction and offering to remove that ... for a fee.

Without a doubt the lovers of this are only reinforcing these 'business' decisions.

No matter in the final anolysis the summation is: No matter what you are going to pay - willingly.

Putting any content behind a credit card in addition to a subscription is just wrong in my opinion. I'm still going to play the game and will likely enjoy it very much. But I've seen this before. And it usually doesn't end well.

Would like to hear some more explenations on this theme from ZEN, but I think they will wait until a lot of ppl (like me) bought the CE. And then release this news i talked about. To get more money xD first

I imagine their intent is to keep racial bonuses even so that one can still choose their preferred race and their preferred class. I don't think they want a situation where all Dragonknights are X race. If that is indeed the case then they will nerf and buff each race as needed to provide equivalence. So whatever the Imperial racial will be it should be at a balance with the other races. The imperial race will give players a different bonus, but if I am right it should remain equal in value to the other races. If it becomes the case that a racial pulls ahead I imagine they will take appropriate actions to preserve both class preference and racial preference by adjusting the bonus.

I get that that will not be satisfactory enough for most of you, I bought the CE because like a lot of you I couldn't stand not to have it. But if you don't wind up buying it I think there is enough reason to believe that they would resist a racial bonus pulling ahead of others and take steps to preserve personal racial preference within a class choice.

Well I don't mind the Imperial edition - not sure I see a lot of value in having a mudcrab follow me around unless he can take my junk loot drops back to town - am not a fan of steel cases - I'd rather have an elven statue to plonk in front of my screen - the horse and the rings of mara don't really excite me - I never bothered with horses in Skyrim

I'm a little unclear if you only get the in-game items if you are playing as an Imperial as I would likely continue to play as a Breton - can my Breton ride the horse and have a super speedy mudcrab scutting behind?

To me it is not about the faction locking/unlocking it is more about what do I get in a CE that makes it extra special - and I don't know if there is enough in game content to really sway me on this

Been thinking about this news all day today. (Slow day at work because of ice storms, woo.) I've decided I'm kinda indifferent to it. I'm waiting to hear news of an actual Collector's Edition, which I suspect will also include Imperials as well as the open faction thing. However even if I was just going for the basic box, I wouldn't feel left out because Imperials mean little to me, and I wasn't really tied to factions being locked or unlocked anyway.

I voted Yes to both. Actually I figured these things would come along eventually in an expansion anyway, so now or later is really not a deal breaker.

Oh wait, is that what they're calling a Collector's Edition? The Limited Edition? Eh, I dunno.

You have to go out of your way to not know an Elder Scrolls game is coming out. It doesn't screw anyone, stop playing white knight.

And, btw. EVERY race has their own skill line, imperials NOT having one is gamebreaking.

But yeah, I am very happy with this decision, now I can actually play an imperial, which I have used since I started playing TES.

Overall most other forums I read (including reddit which is extremely negative on such stuff in general) are more or less okay or have a wait and see stance (ie are the passives in line with others? etc).

Only a select few are completely against it and are pretty darn loud ^^

Not me. I was slightly iffy on the game, and now it's an easy decision. I don't intend on Supporting EA by purchasing TESO.

The amount of grabbing at straws is hilarious, just because theirs an item with I'm betting a insignificant XP bonus like almost every other MMO pre order in the last 10 years, the game is suddenly pay to win? People are ever so fickle.

People have been looking for any reason to hate on this game even if they are things that are widely accepted as norms. I don't agree with the Imperial choice and the play any race in any faction, but I'll hold my judgement till we have more info as neither of those are listed as CE and pre order only. You very well could unlock them through playing the game.

i am really annoyed by this any race can play any alliance bs

it is a freaking joke to me

i liked the idea behind choosing a race with that alliance it is assign to

plus it would make the war pvp more easy to recognize friend from foe

I don't think some people are trying to hate the game, I think they are just mad for the sake of being mad. I mean, it literally changes nothing, but everyone is just yelling.

ZOS is in trouble regardless of what it wants to do. These last years it's just been:

"We should be able to see all of Tamriel!" Well, you got it, they delivered.

"We want to be able to talk to our friends on different factions!" Uhm, Done

"We want to be any race on any alliance!" Done

"We don't want to be any race on any alliance!" Hm, no.

I mean, really, it impacts people not at all. They will still play their race on their faction they've decided, and now other people will do what they want. So, really, other people got freedom and some people want to take it away.

Well that shows an incredibly limited understanding of demographics and makes some pretty big assumptions. Good job blue. Not everyone pays attention and not everyone pays attention to preorder/Collectors editions either. That is pretty damned obvious. I am not white knighting anything, I am pointing out a problem, stop playing the straw man.

Uhm...missed the context eh? Having that exclusive skill line on a race that not everyone can play is the part that is bunk, not the ability itself.

Nothing though is a bit of an understatement, I mean we know nothing about it outside that imperials exist...

it could be that imperials get 10000% more magicka and stamina as a racial passive, it could also be that Imperials are locket at 1 Hitpoint...

now both options would only become reality if some decision-maker would have been hit on the head very very hard...

so wait and see till we get more info regarding Imperials then we can say if anything has changed at all ^^

I actually think that Imperials will have a choice of 1 of 3 "sets" of passives from the other races... so in the end it would be nothing more then a skin pack

The point is though, that you shouldn't have to buy a special addition to do so. I'm really happy they decided to include Imperials, I thought it was b.s when they had planned to not include them. But now that we know they are a playable race, that should be something included in the base game. ZOS used our ignorance of imperials being in the game as a way to monetize them. If we didn't think they were going to initially be the game, of course we'd pay extra for them. And of course a lot of people are looking at it that way, which is sad because then your just supporting what is an extremely shady and underhanded thing to do. Its dishonest and really bring's ZOS's respect for customer's into question. I still plan to buy the game because I'm holding on to hope that the game will still be good, but after this incident I don't know how I'm supposed to trust ZOS as a developer. What I don't get is when did this become acceptable? It's sad really, even sadder that people will defend it. Its not even about the imperials specifically, its the principle behind the decision. Regardless of how prized or good the stuff in the CE is, the more you allow them to chip away from the base game and put into pre-orders, for a game that still has an NDA 2 months from launch mind you, the less we will actually get for that sub price. The subscription model is in place specifically to prevent paygating and to make the game experience equal for everyone, but I guess no one told ZOS that.