[Gisela Amaya]

Oh and I think the whole "PS3 is really glitchy" is very overplayed. The majority of people I see now say, "I've never had many bugs, I guess I've been lucky" but really, I think that's the majority. Sure, some people get the game-breaking glitches, but that happens in every single game.

[glot]

^ Beth said that it was the minority that was suffering the lag back in November but they only said that to get FO unlitmate edition out with out any sale drops. We honesty don't know what the majority or minority is but it clearly wasn't a minority problem back in November so that will still carry on cause the patches did more harm than good.

[Naughty not Nice]

Storm, I know you're an optimist and quite frankly that is awesome to see after all of these unfortunate events, but I think you might be giving people some false hope. You're constantly saying how you can feel Dawnguard coming soon, and you tell people that they are 'trying their best' and 'working with Sony'... Well, we can only take their word for that, and there's been no significant updates on Dawnguard's PS3 progress. I do respect your optimism, but I think it would be best if you stopped convincing everybody we'll definitely be getting Dawnguard. Please don't take this badly, I just think it's more fair to stop with the "It will be here soon!" stuff.

I respect your opinion. How exactly would i be giving false hope. If you are saying ITS NOT COMING OUT...that is false hope as well... NO ONE HAS SAID DAWNGUARD IS NOT COMING OUT. You can look at it however you want. In my opinion...it will be coming out....and i will keep being optimistic about it...cuz if i'm not...i will just be yet another reason why NO ONE wants to be on this thread. I took no offense to your statement. I respect your opinion very much. I just hope you can respect mine as well. I do have a feeling it is coming out soon.....why have a feeling of sadness....when clearly there is no need to feel sad....YET.

[Michael Russ]

**NEW UPDATES FROM PETE HINES' TWITTER**

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon You cant fool me there wont be dawnguard on ps3 because there is no add-on in patch 1.7 OWN IT !!

PETE'S RESPONSE- https://twitter.com/bommySk128 don't expect daily changes in status on this. I didn't understand your point, but getting Dawnguard out on PS3 is still our goal


https://twitter.com/DCDeacon Anything else on Dawnguard?

https://twitter.com/Grieferhate status is not going to change or be updated daily. we're talking about base performance across all situations/saves here.



https://twitter.com/DCDeacon Just make a update so people can make Dragon Armour and Weapons

https://twitter.com/Arkale https://twitter.com/Josh19999 we want PS3 folks to have the whole thing. doing a piece of it would stink. We want them to be able to play it all.

AGAIN...JUST UPDATING YOU ON ANYTHING DAWNGUARD...STATING FACTS...BRINGING THEM TO YOU AS SOON AS I CAN.

THANKS,

STORM

[Tanya]

**NEW UPDATES FROM PETE HINES' TWITTER**

https://twitter.com/DCDeacon You cant fool me there wont be dawnguard on ps3 because there is no add-on in patch 1.7 OWN IT !!

PETE'S RESPONSE- https://twitter.com/bommySk128 don't expect daily changes in status on this. I didn't understand your point, but getting Dawnguard out on PS3 is still our goal


https://twitter.com/DCDeacon Anything else on Dawnguard?

https://twitter.com/Grieferhate status is not going to change or be updated daily. we're talking about base performance across all situations/saves here.



https://twitter.com/DCDeacon Just make a update so people can make Dragon Armour and Weapons

https://twitter.com/Arkale https://twitter.com/Josh19999 we want PS3 folks to have the whole thing. doing a piece of it would stink. We want them to be able to play it all.

AGAIN...JUST UPDATING YOU ON ANYTHING DAWNGUARD...STATING FACTS...BRINGING THEM TO YOU AS SOON AS I CAN.

THANKS,

STORM

you sir bring light to this dark forum.
but i have one question............ do you need to always type in caps? just asking

[Scarlet Devil]

What the hell is wrong with patching Dragonbone in? It's not a 'part of the DLC', because the Dragonbone weapons have NO relevance to the Dawnguard or the Vampires, they just added it in. Come on Bethesda, Dragonbone weapons are the least you can do. Smack my head.

[jesse villaneda]

you sir bring light to this dark forum.
but i have one question............ do you need to always type in caps? just asking

I only type my updates and important things i want seen in caps. Sorry

[Tarka]

I only type my updates and important things i want seen in caps. Sorry

oh no problem, that makes sense. was only wondering

[City Swagga]

What the hell is wrong with patching Dragonbone in? It's not a 'part of the DLC', because the Dragonbone weapons have NO relevance to the Dawnguard or the Vampires, they just added it in. Come on Bethesda, Dragonbone weapons are the least you can do. Smack my head.

Been thinking on that myself. Only thing i can think of is that the code is such a spaghetti-fied mess that specifically adding or removing anything could be catastrophic.

[Red Bevinz]

hello fellow skyrim fans,

i'm reading the dawnguard ps3-threads for days now and want to throw in some of my thoughts.
first i want to thank all of you who are searching for updates and post any new information here. for example someone like Storm who seems to do a job that someone from bethesda should do in my opinion. he's cheering the community up and keeps us informed. thank you and all the others as well for that service.

my personal experience with skyrim on the ps3 is: it seems to run ok. i got it on christmas, but only played it for 10-20 hours. then i started fallout 3 and skyrim wasn't no longer interesting for a few months. it went back to skyrim only a few weeks ago and have now played about 140 hours. my save file is now somewhere between 9 and 10 mb.
most of the time i had no problems with bugs, lags or freezes. i think the biggest problem was the water-freezing bug. a few times the game would freeze and i would have to restart the ps3, but that was really not often.

in the last days, i experienced lags and freezes more and more often. that makes me think that i was only lucky regarding problems as long as i had played skyrim in a "moderate" way and as soon as one plays it more often and longer the more problems could be noticed.
what i want to say is, that i believe users who had many bugs and other problems and i don't believe that it is only a very small minority who experienced problems with the ps3-version.

what i find interesting is that skyrim was not the first game from bethesda with such big issues. i didn't notice before that fallout 3 had similar issues regarding overall performance and dlc. i had to read the different threads here to find out about this.
i think it is scandalous that gamers asked bethesda for clear information regarding the status and performance of the ps3 version of skyrim before its release and that they were lied to.

all the problems with dawnguard on ps3 are now in a very specific context and it should really be clear to everyone how bethesda has to be seen from a ps3-gamer's point of view.

but, what i think is the most interesting aspect is the continuos support for bethesda from these ps3-gamers.
from what i find in the comments here, the vast majority of the users would buy dawnguard in the first minute it would be available for ps3.
all the forum threads and all the tweets asking for new information on dawnguard only show bethesda that they still haven't treated the ps3-community bad enough.
so the question i have: why should they change any single thing?

they just don't have to. with the last update they brouhgt themselves in an even more comfortable position, because now many of us are aware of the possibility to get no dawnguard on ps3.
should they finally be in a position of releasing it, i can imagine them saying: thanks to our users for all the patience and we worked so hard to make this possible. we have done everything we could to give this and the other dlcs to you, because we care so much. so we think our community owes us a big 'thank you' for making this happen.

and if they don't bring any dlc for ps3, well, i'm sure they will promise to really, really change their behaviour for fallout 4 and tes 6.

a good evening to all of you!

by the way: dortmund, germany

[Victoria Bartel]

Pete Hines also refused to provide proof that Sony actually is helping, and when asked what Sony was helping with, he just used the same excuse Bethesda used to explain Dawnguard's delay. Performance.

[Matthew Barrows]

Sad news.......I thought my internet loved me last night...was so exicted to see my BF3 update was nearly done, then....then....T_T my internet craps out on me so here I am once more on this board.

[K J S]

I understand that twitter messages are short, but I wish Hines would try to not come across as irritated with people wanting information. As a Public Relations manager I would think that good public relations would be the goal. I don't get that impression from Hines. Again, I know tweets are short, but heck, use the Blog now and then to write longer messages and maybe stir up a little excitement. Storm can't do it all by himself.

[Mark Hepworth]

I understand that twitter messages are short, but I wish Hines would try to not come across as irritated with people wanting information. As a Public Relations manager I would think that good public relations would be the goal. I don't get that impression from Hines. Again, I know tweets are short, but heck, use the Blog now and then to write longer messages and maybe stir up a little excitement. Storm can't do it all by himself.

I can try! lol

[Amysaurusrex]

One of the reasons I made an account here. This is one of the funniest posts I've seen in quite a while. And sad but true. While it's true our faith in them has been shaken Anakin Skywalker style, I do believe they are working with Sony. They have everything to gain from releasing our DLC along with the rest.

There is too much ambiguity in the 'working with Sony to bring you this content' for me to believe it is anything meaningful.

It could mean anything from Sony failed their submission flat-out to they have set up a tent city outside Sony's corporate offices in Japan and are working 12 hour shifts to create a 2gb patch we will get next week. Bethesda's track record and the brash FU attitude of people like Pete Hines would not incline me to take anything they say at face value, and more likely is the former case we are seeing.

Certainly a 'just the facts' overview of the situation would justify more cynicism than faith in Bethesda.

And I believe they are genuinely working their hardest to bring this content to us. I do not believe they intentionally shafted us. But only Bethesda truly knows the series of events that got us to this point.

I can respect your opinion on that but, as above, a 'just the facts' review of their previous efforts and the http://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/241583045176590336 attitude of their PR VP is inconsistent with a company really trying to please its customers (on PS3).

All that aside, we as gamers must hold them accountable. We can make a difference. When the next Elder Scrolls comes out, or the next Fallout, I will not be buying it. I will want to, but I won't.

Honestly they have made it much easier to no longer include them in my entertainment budget. Skyrim is a watered down husk of an RPG next to what some companies can do now with an RPG. Bethesda is clearly going for dollars first, awards second, gameplay distant third and quality is not even on the list.

I always liked Sony quality (though this memory thing is a bit ridiculous).

Really? Find some reviews from seven years ago where people lamented about the memory setup please. Nobody did, and in fact it seems its primarily Bethesda (or anybody trying to use Gamebryo) that really is crippled by this NUMA architecture. Its not a new thing. OpenGL is not a new thing - its been around longer and is much more 'open' than DirectX.

In fact, if Bethesda truly believes it is an insurmountable hardware limitation then they really do owe everybody who wants one a refund. Because the hardware has been specified for a really really long time now and they knew them going in. Actually they have a lot of experience failing on the PS3, so they know better than any of us what challenges were/are coming.

Looking forward, I have serious misgivings about any product they release for the ps3. So buy it for the 360 then? No, that's not a solution---that's a bandaid.

agreed. Nothing from Bethesda, Zenimax and nothing with the names of Todd Howard, Nick Breckon, ___ Grandstaff or Pete Hines associated with it - ever again.

No one should be punished for their console choice. But look at these sales, look at their success! Why should they change? I hope the fallout from this farce would be enough for them to change.. and yet I think only a major decrease in sales will convince they that we as gamers have had enough. Bethesda, I love you. But I hope your next game flops. You know the saying "You're only as good as your last performance"?

I got no problems with suffering for your console choice - as in exclusives that are publicized as such. Wanna play Uncharted on Xbox? Nope. Want Halo on PS3? Not happening.

And that is OK. We know there are exclusive titles for each and we gotta pick what platform has the better for each of us. But we were flat-out lied to with this title. And I see nothing that would indicate they are doing anything differntly now. Its more lies, mushroom food and patronizing.

[brandon frier]

I understand that twitter messages are short, but I wish Hines would try to not come across as irritated with people wanting information. As a Public Relations manager I would think that good public relations would be the goal. I don't get that impression from Hines. Again, I know tweets are short, but heck, use the Blog now and then to write longer messages and maybe stir up a little excitement. Storm can't do it all by himself.

I understand what you mean but I will play devils advocate in here, after so much time everone would be pissed off , We are still realyy whinni maybe rightfully but still. Cut guy some slack

[Cartoon]

I understand that twitter messages are short, but I wish Hines would try to not come across as irritated with people wanting information. As a Public Relations manager I would think that good public relations would be the goal. I don't get that impression from Hines. Again, I know tweets are short, but heck, use the Blog now and then to write longer messages and maybe stir up a little excitement. Storm can't do it all by himself.

Well he keeps saying that they won't have daily updates and yet everyone keeps wanting and asking for just that. It would get a little aggrivating after a while. However, if he is a public relations person, that stuff shouldn't even phase him. So you might be right.

[Paul Rice]

I don't think I even want to buy Dawnguard anymore, or even Hearthfire. All the excitement has been killed by the long wait and unanswered questions. I wish I could say that I believed Bethesda was trying their hardest to bring Dawnguard to us, but they're just not. I know I don't have a right to have Dawnguard or have all my questions answered, but I still feel disrespected. Bethesda spits on every Ps3 owner with every day that goes by without any new content. I won't buy anything from them ever again. I don't care how great their games are; they're not worth all the anticipation, disrespect, and disappointment.

[Nathan Hunter]

Someone pass me some popcorn please? I'm running low.. ah, thanks! Continue the debate!

In all seriousness though.. I care nothing for system wars, vague speculation, apologies, anologies, anuerysms, anolytic rage, or semi-psychoanolysis about the hold up of DG. When it arrives, it arrives. Nothing can be done until then. Nothing. Period.

Now, pass the hot-sauce. Yes, I said hot-sauce. What? You don't like a dash on your popcorn? Cretin!

[Rozlyn Robinson]

In regards to Petes Hines not be able to update daily, I say even just coming out and saying "nothing has changed at this moment of time" will be wildly accepted, it may to be what we want to hear but it will show that we are on thier mind 24/7.

[David John Hunter]

I asked Pete Hines for a little proof of Sonys involvment and this is what I got

"Proof they're helping? You want copies of email exchanges? Phone records? They're helping."

And since he wouldn't provide proof, I asked what Sony was helping with and he just said

"improving performance"

I asked two simple questions, in a nice way, and he pretty much snapped at me. And "improving performance" isn't an answer, it's a cop-out.

[lolli]

what i don't get is the ps3 should be more able to handle the dlc because he has a bigger processor then the xbox 360,the ps3 has a hex core while the xbox 360 only has a triple core

[Spooky Angel]

I think something must be kept in mind about Hines' response to folks. He may be VP of PR but he does not run Bethesda. What information he is allowed to give and what folks demand are two very different things. To me it is silly to be raging at PR when in all reality it is a company issue, not his.

[Laura Shipley]

I asked Pete Hines for a little proof of Sonys involvment and this is what I got

"Proof they're helping? You want copies of email exchanges? Phone records? They're helping."

And since he wouldn't provide proof, I asked what Sony was helping with and he just said

"improving performance"

I asked two simple questions, in a nice way, and he pretty much snapped at me. And "improving performance" isn't an answer, it's a cop-out.

Give him a break , yes he shoudl be patient, but that don't change the fact that you still asking the same question and he can't say anything new, you too would be pissed, what do you want him to say , they are comapny

[Schel[Anne]FTL]

I asked Pete Hines for a little proof of Sonys involvment and this is what I got

"Proof they're helping? You want copies of email exchanges? Phone records? They're helping."

And since he wouldn't provide proof, I asked what Sony was helping with and he just said

"improving performance"

I asked two simple questions, in a nice way, and he pretty much snapped at me. And "improving performance" isn't an answer, it's a cop-out.

atlest he responds to your tweets, he no longer responds to mine and I'm just asking simple questions @__@