[sarah]

Everybody quit flaming and arguing. All it's going to end up doing is getting this thread locked, and cause us to have nowhere to talk about the game.

We can make are own thread about the subject. If it gets locked.

[Britta Gronkowski]

Everybody quit flaming and arguing. All it's going to end up doing is getting this thread locked, and cause us to have nowhere to talk about the game.

Agreed.

[Laura-Lee Gerwing]

Several posts went away. If the flaming and sniping back and forth continues, the thread will be locked. Making a new thread if that happens might not be the best idea.

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[Epul Kedah]

Everybody quit flaming and arguing. All it's going to end up doing is getting this thread locked, and cause us to have nowhere to talk about the game.

A lot of people want that actually.

They want the PS3 players to be silent and just live with the situation.

That or, buy a 360 or PC which has been suggested by people more than once.




If the thread does get locked it will be a double edged sword kind of though. This thread is what keeps people reminded about the DLC. If it's locked and theres no where to talk about it, no where to vent, then it just kind of fades away. So yes the forums would be clean, but then people will just fully forget about the DLC over the months.


On a side note I kind of wish some off topic posts were allowed. I understand it's the forum rules but branching topics create a more conversational feel. Otherwise I feel like I'm typing essays and reading essays xD

But yeah, rules are rules I suppose.

[Mizz.Jayy]

I'd like to ask everyone, please, I know we're all annoyed, upset, p#ssed off or just plain looking to vent about the PS3 and PC DLC situation, but I'm asking on my own behalf, please don't stray from that main topic too much.

I don't want to end up loosing the abilitie and the chance of having a place where I can listen and talk to you guys about Dawnguard and Hearthfire downloads not coming and for us to be taken seriously about why we need more communication.

Personally I'd really like to have the Hearthfire DLC come out soon for the PS3 as I've got chests and chests filled with loads of displayable weapons and kit that I can't put in all my Vanilla houses.

Bethesda, please be specific about what's not working.

Is the game crashing?

Is there a frames rate issue that's causing serious lag?

Can you introduce just a portion of content SAFEKY for us, like just the weapon upgrades or maybe just the Hearthfire house building ability?

I'm reading and typing and searching as I'm going back and forth to hospital and I'm STILL hoping to see you offer just an explanation to WHAT isn't working. You don't have any reason to NOT tell us what's the specific issue that faces you right now and every reason to do so.

Telling us what the specific problem is would earn you a lot of lost good faith with us all. Knowledge is all we are begging for. DLC content us what we're asking for.

If you can give DLC, at least give us knowledge. Please. Please I'm asking you as one person to another. Be open, just this once.

I'm not going to give up fighting for more days and I refuse to give up asking for you to show just a single piece of good will.

If I can carry on living, you can tell us what you're fighting against too.


Please.

For the Moderators. Please don't shut this forum down. I'm asking you to show that one moment of restraint and give my other posters a second chance and a little bit of leeway. We're asking for understand from Bethesda and I'd like to ask for one more little bit of forgiveness from you.

Your warning has been seen and taken note of. I promise.


Tom.

[Star Dunkels Macmillan]

I've not been on here for a while but I see that nothing has changed about the status of dawnguard, it doesn't surprise me really lol we will not hear anything new until the 30days are up for hearthfire on xbox

[Quick draw II]

I'd like to ask everyone, please, I know we're all annoyed, upset, p#ssed off or just plain looking to vent about the PS3 and PC DLC situation, but I'm asking on my own behalf, please don't stray from that main topic too much.

I don't want to end up loosing the abilitie and the chance of having a place where I can listen and talk to you guys about Dawnguard and Hearthfire downloads not coming and for us to be taken seriously about why we need more communication.

Personally I'd really like to have the Hearthfire DLC come out soon for the PS3 as I've got chests and chests filled with loads of displayable weapons and kit that I can't put in all my Vanilla houses.

Bethesda, please be specific about what's not working.

Is the game crashing?

Is there a frames rate issue that's causing serious lag?

Can you introduce just a portion of content SAFEKY for us, like just the weapon upgrades or maybe just the Hearthfire house building ability?

I'm reading and typing and searching as I'm going back and forth to hospital and I'm STILL hoping to see you offer just an explanation to WHAT isn't working. You don't have any reason to NOT tell us what's the specific issue that faces you right now and every reason to do so.

Telling us what the specific problem is would earn you a lot of lost good faith with us all. Knowledge is all we are begging for. DLC content us what we're asking for.

If you can give DLC, at least give us knowledge. Please. Please I'm asking you as one person to another. Be open, just this once.

I'm not going to give up fighting for more days and I refuse to give up asking for you to show just a single piece of good will.

If I can carry on living, you can tell us what you're fighting against too.


Please.

For the Moderators. Please don't shut this forum down. I'm asking you to show that one moment of restraint and give my other posters a second chance and a little bit of leeway. We're asking for understand from Bethesda and I'd like to ask for one more little bit of forgiveness from you.

Your warning has been seen and taken note of. I promise.


Tom.

Ok by what the PR (Pete hines) of Bethesda has said there is nothing wrong with Dawnguard for the Ps3. He said everybody's save file is different meaning like those high MB save files that some people have that makes the game run slow/laggy/freeze? Not all have had those issues some run fine but the majority have bad running performances with high MB saves. So they dont want to release Dawnguard untill they fix/re-arange/reduce those save files hence why they have asked for sonys help on this situation (Bit late).

All Dawnguard will do is add mass MB to those high MB save files making the majority of Ps3 users performance worse then it is now. Hence the qutote from their 1st Ps3 Dawnguard update. (About not wanting to make the experience worse then it already is.... for most)

[Kelly John]

A lot of people want that actually.

They want the PS3 players to be silent and just live with the situation.

That or, buy a 360 or PC which has been suggested by people more than once.

The PS3 players aren't going to become silent just because a bunch of PC/Xbox 360/Multiplatform players demand it. As for their "suggestion"...very few people are actually going to listen to it. Honestly, who in their right mind is going to whip out a bunch of money they don't have just so they can buy a new system, another copy of Skyrim and Dawnguard on top of that just because some faceless, nameless poster on BethBlog "suggested" they should? Yeah, right, like that will ever happen.

[Dylan Markese]

A lot of people want that actually.

They want the PS3 players to be silent and just live with the situation.

The moderators have worked hard to keep these threads on topic, civil and constructive and have edited or deleted a lot of posts that have crossed the line. Which is why this thread is number 18 all with 200+ posts in them so how you can claim that I have no idea. If that was the case then there would be no topics of complaint allowed and a lot fewer forum members.

[Cameron Wood]

The PS3 players aren't going to become silent just because a bunch of PC/Xbox 360/Multiplatform players demand it. As for their "suggestion"...very few people are actually going to listen to it. Honestly, who in their right mind is going to whip out a bunch of money they don't have just so they can buy a new system, another copy of Skyrim and Dawnguard on top of that just because some faceless, nameless poster on BethBlog "suggested" they should? Yeah, right, like that will ever happen.

As sad as that is alot of people have done this.. i know 2 people that have done this an ive seen on this forum a few have said they have done this. Its a bit pathetically sad imo but i bet there's thousands of people that have Aka the devoted fans or then there's the spoilt brats that must have it all or they cry ect ect. Then you got the people who (if have all 3 platforms) will go buy the game again just for Dlc (which i dont believe in doing but each to their own on that one).

So all in all Beth wins and microsoft win while Ps3 is just.... well you should know by now

[Kelsey Hall]

Thanks ZPred.

I saw the posts that they've said about the file sizes being a factor and them needing the help of the Sony Devs, that also following onto the Vice Sony gentleman confirming they DO work with all their partners.....I did get the impression though, especially as I remember it being said that the Sony guy had to 'take a deep breath before giving his statement' that this is a major deal that's erupted, which I would agree on. The file size I've got at the moment is 11mbs with the 1.7 being the fix number so if I did begin to experience issues by them introducing the Hearthfire DLC and it adding a file size bump to my save then I am ok with waiting, *looks sideways*, for it, I just don't remember any tweet or actually comment stating officially that it's all working fine 'except for'...... that said I could of missed it and accept what you've informed me without question.

Moderator Rohugh, yes you've shown restraint and patience and I ask you continue to do so as this is an issue which isn't going to go away as long as we're being offered 'so so' levels of communication and in some instances almost baulshy levels of feedback from Bethesda.
Pete Hines obviously isn't free to say what he wants and has to limit himself to 'officially approved' updates and pieces if info, but in which case whomever is giving him the 'party line' info really needs to forgive the anger that people feel towards the company right now and give us an official, A4 size briefing on what is not working, what has been said by the Sony Devs and what the real prospects of us getting this before December. I would accept that giving a time frame is not feasible in most instances, but telling us what's not working and where the actual issues right now are would be great, but if they did that then it might reveal an unconfirmed problem with the porting code or some other issue that would blow this whole thing sky high by confirming a possible short cut that was taken in bringing Skyrim to mass-platform-market. Not accusing them of this, I'm only giving a plausible reason for a blackout on 'specifics'.

Either way, I can't afford to buy any other system, nor would I, and time is a factor good. I can't invest another 100hrs on another character. I've got 5 lvl 81s already with my current in clocked in at over 215hrs invested, gold at 2.5million and enough metals to use for the Hearthfire DLC to rebuild Windhelm itself!!

My bring light is this coming Wednesday is the iPhone 5 unveiling and I'm hoping Bethesda will choose that day to announce both PS3 DLC's will hit this Thursday. It's a pipe dream but it'd really make me happy.

>_<

[Dean Ashcroft]

the funny thing is i'm sure the dlc is finished and gamesas is just being sell outs to their fans, Microsoft is paying gamesas big amounts money under the table to not release the dlc so i have lost all respect for gamesas i own everyone of te games they released and i trusted them, well look where it got me......

[Leah]

The moderators have worked hard to keep these threads on topic, civil and constructive and have edited or deleted a lot of posts that have crossed the line. Which is why this thread is number 18 all with 200+ posts in them so how you can claim that I have no idea. If that was the case then there would be no topics of complaint allowed and a lot fewer forum members.

Rohugh you and the others mods have had the patient of saints in dealing with this thread, I thank you for that. You and your fellow mods need deserve a vacation and massage once this problem comes to an end.

The community Thanks you also even if everyone does not say it

[JLG]

@Sebaistian sorry can't quote you my phone don't allow it. Well last week I think it was or bit further back not sure a guy tweeted to Pete and said... Let me you ask you a question... Does dawnguard work as it is on the ps3? And pete replied yes it does just not for some. Then pete was asked why is that? In which he replied everyones save file is different. So what I did was put 2 and 2 together and came up with what I stated above which imo makes sense on the situation.. I could be completely wrong but to me it just makes sense and adds up

You may have to dig back abit on petes tweets or maybe stormwatcher who is acting PR (Prentending jokely) he maybe able to clarify due to watching petes updates and posting them here

[Roisan Sweeney]

Ok by what the PR (Pete hines) of Bethesda has said there is nothing wrong with Dawnguard for the Ps3. He said everybody's save file is different meaning like those high MB save files that some people have that makes the game run slow/laggy/freeze? Not all have had those issues some run fine but the majority have bad runnig performances with high MB saves. So they dont want to release Dawnguard untill they fix/re-arange/reduce those save files hence why they have asked for sonys help on this situation (Bit late).

All Dawnguard will do is add mass MB to those high MB save files making the majority of Ps3 users performance worse then it is now. Hence the qutote from their 1st Ps3 Dawnguard update. (About not wanting to make the experience worse then it already is.... for most)

So ps3 is experiencing save bloating..a problem the machine has had with other Bethesda games.

[Madison Poo]

My version of Skyrim on PS3 is just fine...playing it now in fact.

[Loane]

The PS3 players aren't going to become silent just because a bunch of PC/Xbox 360/Multiplatform players demand it. As for their "suggestion"...very few people are actually going to listen to it. Honestly, who in their right mind is going to whip out a bunch of money they don't have just so they can buy a new system, another copy of Skyrim and Dawnguard on top of that just because some faceless, nameless poster on BethBlog "suggested" they should? Yeah, right, like that will ever happen.

lol if the threads get locked that would mean that all the threads would be locked in the future regarding the topic. At least I'm pretty sure that's what the mods were saying as to it would not be wise to remake it if they lock it.

There are few who have already done it, but typically bought used systems or games. But I still say it's too much. If you bought a PC and the game for it, you could have spent well over a thousand dollars to play a 20 dollar DLC.

The moderators have worked hard to keep these threads on topic, civil and constructive and have edited or deleted a lot of posts that have crossed the line. Which is why this thread is number 18 all with 200+ posts in them so how you can claim that I have no idea. If that was the case then there would be no topics of complaint allowed and a lot fewer forum members.

Oh I'm not really criticizing the actions you take or anything. It's just I have noticed a lot of people angry about the situation in the opposite direction, claiming that the PS3 players don't have the right to complain and that they should simply buy another system.

That comment wasn't directed at any mod as the subject so sorry if it was misinterpreted.

[Multi Multi]

My version of Skyrim on PS3 is just fine...playing it now in fact.

The danger would be in the save data after you had dawnguard. It adds a decent amount of content so, it'd be giving you problems possibly that you don't have now.

[James Potter]

@ZPred: Yep, I remember those tweets from Mr Hines.minsee where you got your idea of all's working but for the save bloating issue. I agree that it could be seen as that. I read it as simply that because it doesn't work for everyone it was being used as a stalling tactic so they could fix a bigger, more explosive issue. Kinda blame the little thing to hide the bigger issue of X.

I am not unsympathetic towards each side in this whole balls up, it's simply that we got to the point where there ARE sides that have caused this problem.

It's not too late for an official 'proper' press release from Bethesda that would address the problems they're having and I do thing they've got a bigger problem that's effecting the release and for whatever reason, I'm leaning towards it being something along the lines of them releasing Skyrim on PS3 without proper levels of care, be it a sloppy porting to get it out quickly to bring in the money faster or if they've really created the game in such a way that it's not been designed to work properly on our Sony machine and they didn't do due diligence on the game and instead just focused on the XBox version, which wouldn't make sense as they've had serious problems too.

The real bottom line is the game was released with major faults, above the usual 'bugs and issues' that such a game if this size would likely have and would be understood by the fanbase to have and this has caused some serious coding/add-on issues. In a nutshell, the engine they're using isn't fit for purpose and they rolled the dice on using it one last time, despite it's history of causing failures and this time instead of a small waste paper bin fire size problem it's actually blown the bloody doors off! (Yep, even at 01:48 in the morning a Michael Caine type quote is cool)

The engine used for the game design isn't fit for purpose and they've now got a global, media visible FUBAR type problem that poor Pete Hines is trying to deal with. And just for the record, I do think he's pissed off with his superiors letting him be the scape goat for our directed anger/focused shouting.

I only wanted a game that I could enjoy and I took a chance on Skyrim and initially got a winner. As I said in my first posting, I purchased Oblivion on the strength of Skyrim and enjoy that too, but that's the GOTY edition and I can see now that people who have purchased from Bethesda in previous years have come across the engine being the issue.

I hope for an update soon, at least before the end of the month as otherwise I am only going to be playing my standard, vanilla as you guys have taught me to call it, game from my hospital room. (Obviously no way for me to plug my PS3 into an internet connect in a hospital to download any update).

My iPad is worth it's weight in Hawker Meat as it helps to pass the time when I'm there upto this point.

[mollypop]

@ZPred: Yep, I remember those tweets from Mr Hines.minsee where you got your idea of all's working but for the save bloating issue. I agree that it could be seen as that. I read it as simply that because it doesn't work for everyone it was being used as a stalling tactic so they could fix a bigger, more explosive issue. Kinda blame the little thing to hide the bigger issue of X.

I am not unsympathetic towards each side in this whole balls up, it's simply that we got to the point where there ARE sides that have caused this problem.

It's not too late for an official 'proper' press release from Bethesda that would address the problems they're having and I do thing they've got a bigger problem that's effecting the release and for whatever reason, I'm leaning towards it being something along the lines of them releasing Skyrim on PS3 without proper levels of care, be it a sloppy porting to get it out quickly to bring in the money faster or if they've really created the game in such a way that it's not been designed to work properly on our Sony machine and they didn't do due diligence on the game and instead just focused on the XBox version, which wouldn't make sense as they've had serious problems too.

The real bottom line is the game was released with major faults, above the usual 'bugs and issues' that such a game if this size would likely have and would be understood by the fanbase to have and this has caused some serious coding/add-on issues. In a nutshell, the engine they're using isn't fit for purpose and they rolled the dice on using it one last time, despite it's history of causing failures and this time instead of a small waste paper bin fire size problem it's actually blown the bloody doors off! (Yep, even at 01:48 in the morning a Michael Caine type quote is cool)

The engine used for the game design isn't fit for purpose and they've now got a global, media visible FUBAR type problem that poor Pete Hines is trying to deal with. And just for the record, I do think he's pissed off with his superiors letting him be the scape goat for our directed anger/focused shouting.

I only wanted a game that I could enjoy and I took a chance on Skyrim and initially got a winner. As I said in my first posting, I purchased Oblivion on the strength of Skyrim and enjoy that too, but that's the GOTY edition and I can see now that people who have purchased from Bethesda in previous years have come across the engine being the issue.

I hope for an update soon, at least before the end of the month as otherwise I am only going to be playing my standard, vanilla as you guys have taught me to call it, game from my hospital room. (Obviously no way for me to plug my PS3 into an internet connect in a hospital to download any update).

My iPad is worth it's weight in Hawker Meat as it helps to pass the time when I'm there upto this point.

So long as it's using the same set up that the base skyrim currently has there shouldn't be much issue unless it was simply poorly designed.

At least I wouldn't expect issue like that.

[Jeneene Hunte]

@Xharon: Yes, those people that just blindly suggested that we 'just' buy a new system, be it Xbox or a powerful enough of are bloody idiots to be frank. They've obviously got more money than I have or else are in a position whereby someone else, their parents I'm guessing, would pay for their spoilt lifestyle.

I would consider getting an XBox but not for a single game and not for the prices I'd have to pay. I'm not rich enough and too bloody stubborn to pay Bethesda to sell me the same game twice because of a still undisclosed problem at their end.

If they say it's my fault for making such a large file sized character I might shoot them in the knee with an arrow!

;-)

[Mario Alcantar]

@Xharon: Yes, those people that just blindly suggested that we 'just' buy a new system, be it Xbox or a powerful enough of are bloody idiots to be frank. They've obviously got more money than I have or else are in a position whereby someone else, their parents I'm guessing, would pay for their spoilt lifestyle.

I would consider getting an XBox but not for a single game and not for the prices I'd have to pay. I'm not rich enough and too bloody stubborn to pay Bethesda to sell me the same game twice because of a still undisclosed problem at their end.

If they say it's my fault for making such a large file sized character I might shoot them in the knee with an arrow!

;-)

Well yeah that's all fine of course. If you have more reason to buy such a thing. But some people have done it solely for dawnguard.

[Ross Zombie]

Well yeah that's all fine of course. If you have more reason to buy such a thing. But some people have done it solely for dawnguard.

Those people apparently have too much money and would waste it on a 360 but I guess annoyance makes people do drastic things like getting a console for a piece of DLC

[Lloyd Muldowney]

A question to all those people who say that we PS3 users should buy a new console:

If the situation was reversed and the PS3 version was the only one released while the 360 and PC versions were the ones that weren't working and released, would you like it if PS3 users went to your discussion threads and went "Too bad, you should be a PS3."

[BEl J]

The moderators have worked hard to keep these threads on topic, civil and constructive and have edited or deleted a lot of posts that have crossed the line. Which is why this thread is number 18 all with 200+ posts in them so how you can claim that I have no idea. If that was the case then there would be no topics of complaint allowed and a lot fewer forum members.

Hah, wonderful. Never fails to make me smile!

Those people apparently have too much money and would waste it on a 360 but I guess annoyance makes people do drastic things like getting a console for a piece of DLC

Unfortunately this whole situation has made alot of people do and say all sorts of crazy, strange and just plain outrageous things.