racial terms question : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:36 pm

Yes. To you it just means "black", the colour, eh? :tongue:

It actually means "Black-ish" (Kinda like "Dark"), the color is "Preto".

The funny thing is, "Preto" and "Marrom" (Brown) can be considered pejorative words while "Branco" (White), "Amarelo" (Yellow) and "Vermelho" (Red) cannot.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:53 pm

I really hate racial sensitivity and political correctness. You shouldn't be getting criticized for simply stating your favorite brand of pancake/syrup that just happens to have a black women as its mascot. Seriously this world is to uptight on that stuff.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:33 am

It actually means "Black-ish" (Kinda like "Dark"), the color is "Preto". :tongue:

I was close. :smile:

The funny thing is, "Preto" and "Marrom" (Brown) can be considered pejorative words while "Branco" (White), "Amarelo" (Yellow) and "Vermelho" (Red) cannot.

Do you mean the way that difficult periods in history are called "dark times", etc.? I don't think there's anything racist about that, though. People are scared of the dark; they were even more scared of the dark when there wasn't a 24/7 source of light. This feeling, and its descriptor, just started to be applied to a broader range of things. :shrug:

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:23 am

Do you mean the way that difficult periods in history are called "dark times", etc.? I don't think there's anything racist about that, though. People are scared of the dark; they were even more scared of the dark when there wasn't a 24/7 source of light. This feeling, and its descriptor, just started to be applied to a broader range of things. :shrug:

That too.
But what I was trying to say is that calling someone "Preto" is way worse than calling someone "Branco" or "Amarelo" (As in "Asians"). It's extremely similar to "americans" and their White ~ African-American instead of White ~ Black.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:57 am

aunt jamah (sp) pancakes, this guy got really mad and said i was being racist for saying aunt jamah...

The dude got angry cause you mention Aunt Jamah brand pancakes...? I hate to see what this guy's reaction would have been if there was Aunt Jamah brand Waffles :cold:

.

Sounds like the guy had a chip on shoulder and was looking for a fight IMO.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:08 am

Yes im totally out of it, only a privileged white man, can say such things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s But go ahead, keep drawing attention to race, becuase thats totally how we will get rid of racism.
Meanwhile, I will keep to my oh so ignorant, ways of treating people the same, and not thinking about thier race. Yes im the one who is wrong.

No its not. My school taught us British history (UK). Not once did they mention race.
Most white people are well off... *sigh* That is just stupid. I know plenty of white kids who arent well off, but hey lets just cling to the steryotype, totally what we should do when combating racism.
*opens link*
Ok lets do this.

Spoiler

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
I can, but I dont care, my best friend is peruvian/welsh, my other friend is Indian, another was Jamican/welsh, I knew quite a few filipeno's too. But yeah I should totally care about race of those people. But fine I can do that.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
What the [censored] is this [censored] ? Jesus christ this is backwards. Trained to mistrust, christ this is stupid, is this assuming 80% of all white people are in the KKK ? And no, I had to spend my time in school with violent people, and drug users. I was trained to avoid/mistrust both.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
lol no.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
Nope.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
Correct, but my non white friends havent been harrassed either. People dont care about race, I had 2 white people ask me to fight them (complete strangers) on 2 occasions.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
Yes, but it is the UK, you know, Europe, where whites come from and live, and has a white majority. I wouldnt visit China, and complain the TV has so many Chinese people. Then again, I dont see why I would care about race.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
Well it is the UK, or should we retcon HenryVII and make him black, for equality ? Romans are now Japanese.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
Why would my children be learning about whatever race they are ? I would rather them, be given a British history lesson, not some racial crap.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
Given how much, society likes to use reverse racism, and guilt. Yes it would be easy.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
Nope.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
Yep, like I said, my best friend is preuvian/welsh not many of those around south Wales.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
Yep, but I also see music from non whites, yep I also see food from all over asia, and lots of places preparing halal food. Why the [censored] would race matter in geting a haircut ? (its been stupid so far, but these are gutting worse and worse)
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
The [censored]. Steryotypes... You are using steryotypes to talk about how bad racism is... I have seen some stupid [censored] in my time...
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
Maybe, but thats the same for anyone, I hate white kids and im white. Whats this to do with race again ?
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
Nope, I just need to tell them if they are white, they arent evil it seems.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
My school had Indians, Polish, Italians, Filipeno's, Africans and Portugese. Those are jsut the ones I knew about, no they dont give a [censored] about that stuff.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
No, people will think your a pig no matter your race.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
Yep I can do those things, but im white, im not supposed to be poor right, so why is it acceptable for me to wear 2nd hand clothes ?
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
No I cant speak in public, race has nothing to do with it.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
I have never seen anyone say that about any race, ever.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
No I am not, then again, we dont group people becuase of race.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
I think this asks if I feel bad, for not knowing about other cultures. Why would I, im in the UK. If I was in another country, I would care about thier culture, but im not.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
How is this race again ? Last I checked white people can have different cultures.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
Sure whatever, but why would I care ?
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
Oh god is this pathetic. Yes, but [censored], this is pissing me off.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
Yep, but I dont really care.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
Yes, I do feel I dont belong with lots of people.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
No, no it wouldnt.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
Again, not giving a [censored] about race, you should try it sometime.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
Nope.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
I am not sure what this is asking...
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.My culture dosent seem to care about race much.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
No im not, but I have yet too see this happen to others.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
Nope, apparently this discussion, makes me a prvileged white boy, ignorant to racism.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
I can.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
I dont no.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
Maybe.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
I dont think about race, how is this related to my options ?
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
This is getting pathetic, and boring.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
I get mistreated by white people, im white. Race is irrelivnet, stop blaming everything on race. Its just trying to cause racism, at this point.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
National Health Service, look at the first word. Hint it has nothing to do with race.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
No, my friends who werent white, didnt seem to act differently either.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
Yes, but it dosent happen to others either.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
Nope.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
Sure, I can also see art from other races/cultures.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
Maybe, white people come in different colours/shades.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
Sure, and it wouldnt matter what my spouse's race was.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
No.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
???
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
No I dont.

Wow that was alot of [censored] to wade through. People seemed to be TRYING to make those racial issues.

They are trying because they ARE issues. Even small ones add up over time and quantity. Try taking an Ethnic studies class and maybe you will learn something. Everything I am saying I am learning in my ethnic studies class and I see everyday. I am not spouting BS. Seriously, open your eyes and look around at the world around you. Ignoring it is NOT going to make anything go away.

You live in the UK. Not the US. That might be a fundamental difference, however your answers kind of show you do not have any inkling of a grasp of what other racial groups are going through, there is more to it than just the surface, even for your ethnic friends. That whole list was from the perspective of 1 white woman, that was combed over by mnay other people for credibility, thinking about what advantages she had over other people who were not white. It is not only racism but sixism, classism, and religious bias that are problems as well.

You really do not seem to have grasped the problem. In fact you seem to think there is no problem. You probably just have not been exposed to it and from the way you are talking you probably will not. You seem to have grown up in a fairly privileged environment even if you yourself are not. I have not grown up in a privileged environment. While my family may not be completely poor(not even close to rich either) the school I went to and all my friends were very much so. I live in Hawaii, there are more non-white ethnic groups overall than there are white people here. That is where you really start noticing some of the institutional racism. The fact that your TV programs mostly depict white people or that when non-white people are shown they are lumped into mostly stereotypical roles with a few exceptions is a small indication of institutional racism.

Any non-white protest about race is viewed as someone being an extremist half the time. Hawaiian Homes are a place given to Hawaiian people because they were kicked out of their real homes over 100 years ago in a 100% illegal takeover of Hawaii by the United States, and the Institution in place to deal with that has made those homes based on racial percentages. You can live on Hawaiian homes if you have 25% Hawaiian. What that doesn't tell you is that most Hawaiians are being kicked out if they suddenly fall below 25% Hawaiian even though it is a fact that Hawaiians are slowly getting intermixed with all the people of Hawaii and their blood is diluting. Now that same institution wants to bump up the requirement to 50% Hawaiian soon. Just one example.

In the media white is commonly depicted as beautiful and dark is not. Straight hair is sixier than curly hair. Etc etc... These things are subtle effects that work to damage the psyche of minorities and reinforce the superiority of majorities. It is not a blatant thing however. It is subtle, it works on you slowly as you grow up. It is not even intentional. It is a carryover of the days of segregation in the US at least for us it is, add our worldwide media outlets and there you go. They reinforce messages like you are not as good as "them" or your dark skin is not as pretty as her white skin. Personal preference is one thing but to have that blared across the media is unethical. Not all of those points I linked you too are supposed to apply to you, and some of your answers were quite insufficient. The point is that most minorities do not benefit from any of those things in America. Ignoring racism leaves things as the way they are. You need to protest to make a difference. Things need to change. Personal racism/prejudice is something that will probably never go away, however institutionalized racism can be changed. You can change it by being aware of it and being vocal.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:42 am

If someone automatically assumes you're racist because of the color of your skin then it's reverse racism.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:52 am

okay i was talking to my coworker about pancakes mind you, i said i enjoy aunt jamah (sp) pancakes, this guy got really mad and said i was being racist for saying aunt jamah
is it really a racial term or is he full of himself?
if it is, how?

Hmmm, you sure seem to have issues with coworkers...... :confused:

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:40 am

They are trying because they ARE issues. Even small ones add up over time and quantity. Try taking an Ethnic studies class and maybe you will learn something. Everything I am saying I am learning in my ethnic studies class and I see everyday. I am not spouting BS. Seriously, open your eyes and look around at the world around you. Ignoring it is NOT going to make anything go away.

You live in the UK. Not the US. That might be a fundamental difference, however your answers kind of show you do not have any inkling of a grasp of what other racial groups are going through, there is more to it than just the surface, even for your ethnic friends. That whole list was from the perspective of 1 white woman, that was combed over by mnay other people for credibility, thinking about what advantages she had over other people who were not white. It is not only racism but sixism, classism, and religious bias that are problems as well.

You really do not seem to have grasped the problem. In fact you seem to think there is no problem. You probably just have not been exposed to it and from the way you are talking you probably will not. You seem to have grown up in a fairly privileged environment even if you yourself are not. I have not grown up in a privileged environment. While my family may not be completely poor(not even close to rich either) the school I went to and all my friends were very much so. I live in Hawaii, there are more non-white ethnic groups overall than there are white people here. That is where you really start noticing some of the institutional racism. The fact that your TV programs mostly depict white people or that when non-white people are shown they are lumped into mostly stereotypical roles with a few exceptions is a small indication of institutional racism.

Any non-white protest about race is viewed as someone being an extremist half the time. Hawaiian Homes are a place given to Hawaiian people because they were kicked out of their real homes over 100 years ago in a 100% illegal takeover of Hawaii by the United States, and the Institution in place to deal with that has made those homes based on racial percentages. You can live on Hawaiian homes if you have 25% Hawaiian. What that doesn't tell you is that most Hawaiians are being kicked out if they suddenly fall below 25% Hawaiian even though it is a fact that Hawaiians are slowly getting intermixed with all the people of Hawaii and their blood is diluting. Now that same institution wants to bump up the requirement to 50% Hawaiian soon. Just one example.

In the media white is commonly depicted as beautiful and dark is not. Straight hair is sixier than curly hair. Etc etc... These things are subtle effects that work to damage the psyche of minorities and reinforce the superiority of majorities. It is not a blatant thing however. It is subtle, it works on you slowly as you grow up. It is not even intentional. It is a carryover of the days of segregation in the US at least for us it is, add our worldwide media outlets and there you go. They reinforce messages like you are not as good as "them" or your dark skin is not as pretty as her white skin. Personal preference is one thing but to have that blared across the media is unethical. Not all of those points I linked you too are supposed to apply to you, and some of your answers were quite insufficient. The point is that most minorities do not benefit from any of those things in America. Ignoring racism leaves things as the way they are. You need to protest to make a difference. Things need to change. Personal racism/prejudice is something that will probably never go away, however institutionalized racism can be changed. You can change it by being aware of it and being vocal.

Yes its such an issue. When I turn on the TV and see a lack of Welsh people, it makes me feel bitter and I hate the world for it... Oh wait no, that would be [censored] stupid.
Your defending this [censored], do you have any idea how stupid this crap is ? I dont really care, you will insist there is a problem when there isnt, I am already used too that sort of thing.
If you want to act like that, thats fine. But I cant [censored] stand the idea, you think its about race, fine. But stop shoving that [censored] down my throat, I am sick of looking past race, only to have "hurr racist" or people assume im better off becuase im white. YOU are making it a racial issue, I am ignoring race completely, then you say im privileged and yet you know nothing about me. I had the exact same treatment as my friends, who werent white, ofc you wont accept that, so lets just blame racism for any problems.

White skin isnt considered pretty btw, fake tan and sun beds are commonly used by people, becuase being pale is considered ugly, or some BC.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:54 am

Yes its such an issue. When I turn on the TV and see a lack of Welsh people, it makes me feel bitter and I hate the world for it... Oh wait no, that would be [censored] stupid.
Your defending this [censored], do you have any idea how stupid this crap is ? I dont really care, you will insist there is a problem when there isnt, I am already used too that sort of thing.
If you want to act like that, thats fine. But I cant [censored] stand the idea, you think its about race, fine. But stop shoving that [censored] down my throat, I am sick of looking past race, only to have "hurr racist" or people assume im better off becuase im white. YOU are making it a racial issue, I am ignoring race completely, then you say im privileged and yet you know nothing about me. I had the exact same treatment as my friends, who werent white, ofc you wont accept that, so lets just blame racism for any problems.

White skin isnt considered pretty btw, fake tan and sun beds are commonly used by people, becuase being pale is considered ugly, or some BC.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. You're only saying you treat everyone equally, yeah? Racism does exist. And Albino's problem is he thinks you're trying to say it doesn't, when, in reality, you're only saying you treat everyone the same as if race wasn't even a thing (which, really, it isn't.) So Albino is getting upset because he thinks you're denying racism, which, in turn, would do nothing to progress social norms. Not everybody forgets race is even a thing. You need to do SOMETHING to get them to change their mind, and that's what Albino is saying. Not everybody is going to ignore color, so you can't just pretend it isn't happening and think everybody is going to follow suit. And even if everybody did ignore it, there would still be tiny beads of it built into our society, as he's saying. He's saying you need to be active about those, which I agree with.

I just think you can be too active, so we need to find some way of changing those norms without getting race on everybody's mind again. Don't even know if that's possible. Maybe just get educated people into the system? Eh. I'm not going to pretend I know anything about this. I just saw you guys as both being anti-racism, but going off on eachother about different ways of handling it.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:44 pm

K can we take this to PM or do you want me to just answer it here?

I will give you the tip of the iceberg.

Do not click unless you want to see some political crap.

Spoiler

Btw White history month does not exist. It is White History Month(S). 11 months out of the year. Black History month is a pretty stupid way to promote equality. Black history in the United States is United States history. Black History month should be part of US History. However our US history courses do not really touch on those things. Most White people are so well off they do not need the help in college, or the testing systems benefit them to such a degree it comes out the same as well. The institutions in place cause things to be very hard for people at the poverty line. Especially minorities, who are stuck at the poverty line. You really think nothing carried over from the Jim Crow days and segregation? However in some cases a poor white person is worse off than a poor minority because of the way institutions are handled. However it is arguable that there are all sorts of little things that help white people in US society. Let me ask you a few things and be honest. Do these points that I will link you to apply to you? Please read the whole thing if you can. http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html

That article should be renamed "A long list of White Stereotypes".

A lot of the points on that list are just ridiculous.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:21 am

They are trying because they ARE issues. Even small ones add up over time and quantity. Try taking an Ethnic studies class and maybe you will learn something. Everything I am saying I am learning in my ethnic studies class and I see everyday. I am not spouting BS. Seriously, open your eyes and look around at the world around you. Ignoring it is NOT going to make anything go away.

You live in the UK. Not the US. That might be a fundamental difference, however your answers kind of show you do not have any inkling of a grasp of what other racial groups are going through, there is more to it than just the surface, even for your ethnic friends. That whole list was from the perspective of 1 white woman, that was combed over by mnay other people for credibility, thinking about what advantages she had over other people who were not white. It is not only racism but sixism, classism, and religious bias that are problems as well.

You really do not seem to have grasped the problem. In fact you seem to think there is no problem. You probably just have not been exposed to it and from the way you are talking you probably will not. You seem to have grown up in a fairly privileged environment even if you yourself are not. I have not grown up in a privileged environment. While my family may not be completely poor(not even close to rich either) the school I went to and all my friends were very much so. I live in Hawaii, there are more non-white ethnic groups overall than there are white people here. That is where you really start noticing some of the institutional racism. The fact that your TV programs mostly depict white people or that when non-white people are shown they are lumped into mostly stereotypical roles with a few exceptions is a small indication of institutional racism.

Any non-white protest about race is viewed as someone being an extremist half the time. Hawaiian Homes are a place given to Hawaiian people because they were kicked out of their real homes over 100 years ago in a 100% illegal takeover of Hawaii by the United States, and the Institution in place to deal with that has made those homes based on racial percentages. You can live on Hawaiian homes if you have 25% Hawaiian. What that doesn't tell you is that most Hawaiians are being kicked out if they suddenly fall below 25% Hawaiian even though it is a fact that Hawaiians are slowly getting intermixed with all the people of Hawaii and their blood is diluting. Now that same institution wants to bump up the requirement to 50% Hawaiian soon. Just one example. You can't expect countries to give up their national identities just so a small percent of the population feels at home.

In the media white is commonly depicted as beautiful and dark is not. Straight hair is sixier than curly hair. Etc etc... These things are subtle effects that work to damage the psyche of minorities and reinforce the superiority of majorities. It is not a blatant thing however. It is subtle, it works on you slowly as you grow up. It is not even intentional. It is a carryover of the days of segregation in the US at least for us it is, add our worldwide media outlets and there you go. They reinforce messages like you are not as good as "them" or your dark skin is not as pretty as her white skin. Personal preference is one thing but to have that blared across the media is unethical. Not all of those points I linked you too are supposed to apply to you, and some of your answers were quite insufficient. The point is that most minorities do not benefit from any of those things in America. Ignoring racism leaves things as the way they are. You need to protest to make a difference. Things need to change. Personal racism/prejudice is something that will probably never go away, however institutionalized racism can be changed. You can change it by being aware of it and being vocal.

No offense dude, but you're blowing this massively out of proportion. Ethnic minorities will always not get some privileges BECAUSE they are minorities NOT because they're ethnic. If you were to go to France, you would likely find French ingredients in grocery stores, see French people on TV etc. This is because it is FRANCE for Christ's sake, not Brazil or Uganda. Likewise, if you went to Brazil or Uganda then the same would be true for Brazilians or Ugandans. It's kind of like democracy; the majority will have some things going for them, but it's really not that big a deal. You can't expect countries to give up their national identities just so a small percent of the population will feel at home.
OF course I'm not speaking for the U.S. since they have a long history of treating everyone like crap.

As for the issue regarding white/black history month(s), here is how I view it, considering the timeline of U.S. history;

-about 1/100th should be black history
-about 3-4/100th should be white history
-about 2/100th should cover every other immigrant history
-THE REST SHOULD ALL BE FIRST NATIONS HISTORY SINCE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE SETTLED THE DAMNED PLACE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS!

Then again, all history should be taught together since it is all a part of American history and because it makes sense that way. Of course this is in a perfect world....

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:27 pm

I have a polemic question! (I always have one, don't I?)

Is it true that "Negro" is a pejorative word in the United States?

It is now yes. "Negro" or "colored" was the norm in the 60s and 70s. Though it was normal for Caucasians to refer to African-Americans in that matter in that time period, it might have offended the African-Americans.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:32 am

It is now yes. "Negro" or "colored" was the norm in the 60s and 70s. Though it was normal for Caucasians to refer to African-Americans in that matter in that time period, it might have offended the African-Americans.

I'm curious about the general reception of the term "African American": to an onlooker, it seems to have the potential to cause more problems than it solves. Then again, speaking as someone who's "caucasian", that term is itself not especially meaningful to me so I guess I just don't really think about it much.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:38 am

Any non-white protest about race is viewed as someone being an extremist half the time. Hawaiian Homes are a place given to Hawaiian people because they were kicked out of their real homes over 100 years ago in a 100% illegal takeover of Hawaii by the United States, and the Institution in place to deal with that has made those homes based on racial percentages. You can live on Hawaiian homes if you have 25% Hawaiian. What that doesn't tell you is that most Hawaiians are being kicked out if they suddenly fall below 25% Hawaiian even though it is a fact that Hawaiians are slowly getting intermixed with all the people of Hawaii and their blood is diluting. Now that same institution wants to bump up the requirement to 50% Hawaiian soon. Just one example.

Any white protest about race is viewed as someone being a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin almost every time. :tongue:

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:30 am

I'm curious about the general reception of the term "African American": to an onlooker, it seems to have the potential to cause more problems than it solves. Then again, speaking as someone who's "caucasian", that term is itself not especially meaningful to me so I guess I just don't really think about it much.

If someones does refer to them by their skin, it is just black guy or something along those lines. African American just seems weird to say, black guy just works better I guess.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:07 am

Any white protest about race is viewed as someone being a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin almost every time. :tongue:

But that's not racism... whites can't be victims of that.

They are trying because they ARE issues. Even small ones add up over time and quantity. Try taking an Ethnic studies class and maybe you will learn something. Everything I am saying I am learning in my ethnic studies class and I see everyday. I am not spouting BS. Seriously, open your eyes and look around at the world around you. Ignoring it is NOT going to make anything go away.

You live in the UK. Not the US. That might be a fundamental difference, however your answers kind of show you do not have any inkling of a grasp of what other racial groups are going through, there is more to it than just the surface, even for your ethnic friends. That whole list was from the perspective of 1 white woman, that was combed over by mnay other people for credibility, thinking about what advantages she had over other people who were not white. It is not only racism but sixism, classism, and religious bias that are problems as well.

You really do not seem to have grasped the problem. In fact you seem to think there is no problem. You probably just have not been exposed to it and from the way you are talking you probably will not. You seem to have grown up in a fairly privileged environment even if you yourself are not. I have not grown up in a privileged environment. While my family may not be completely poor(not even close to rich either) the school I went to and all my friends were very much so. I live in Hawaii, there are more non-white ethnic groups overall than there are white people here. That is where you really start noticing some of the institutional racism. The fact that your TV programs mostly depict white people or that when non-white people are shown they are lumped into mostly stereotypical roles with a few exceptions is a small indication of institutional racism.

Any non-white protest about race is viewed as someone being an extremist half the time. Hawaiian Homes are a place given to Hawaiian people because they were kicked out of their real homes over 100 years ago in a 100% illegal takeover of Hawaii by the United States, and the Institution in place to deal with that has made those homes based on racial percentages. You can live on Hawaiian homes if you have 25% Hawaiian. What that doesn't tell you is that most Hawaiians are being kicked out if they suddenly fall below 25% Hawaiian even though it is a fact that Hawaiians are slowly getting intermixed with all the people of Hawaii and their blood is diluting. Now that same institution wants to bump up the requirement to 50% Hawaiian soon. Just one example.

In the media white is commonly depicted as beautiful and dark is not. Straight hair is sixier than curly hair. Etc etc... These things are subtle effects that work to damage the psyche of minorities and reinforce the superiority of majorities. It is not a blatant thing however. It is subtle, it works on you slowly as you grow up. It is not even intentional. It is a carryover of the days of segregation in the US at least for us it is, add our worldwide media outlets and there you go. They reinforce messages like you are not as good as "them" or your dark skin is not as pretty as her white skin. Personal preference is one thing but to have that blared across the media is unethical. Not all of those points I linked you too are supposed to apply to you, and some of your answers were quite insufficient. The point is that most minorities do not benefit from any of those things in America. Ignoring racism leaves things as the way they are. You need to protest to make a difference. Things need to change. Personal racism/prejudice is something that will probably never go away, however institutionalized racism can be changed. You can change it by being aware of it and being vocal.

I'm quite sure we're skirting the no-no territory if we haven't already crossed over... so I'll try to keep this as nice as possible...

Seriously dude? I said it before and I'll say it again: Just because your professor says something, doesnt make it true. I'm not going to deny that there is racism in world and especially in America. I'm not naive and unlike you, I don't need to take an "ethics class" to understand that. And are you trying to tell me that until your all-knowing professor told you there was a problem, you didn't know it? Oh, and that somehow because he/she did you're suddenly more able to understand the struggles of other races then your own? Please, let's not be silly. You may be aware of things but you will never understand what someone of another race goes through... never. I can be sympathetic towards the plight of others, but I'm not black or hispanic or asian, so I will never face the same challenges. And you Hawaiians aren't any better about being PC then anyone else, btw, as your post seems to imply. My brother's in-laws live there and because he doesn't look Hawaiian, he's called a haole and people completely ignore him or are overtly rude to him. That's racism too, ya know.

And what tv/magazines are you watching and reading? I see ads and shows with a large range of diversity. I can't find a single one of my magazines with only whites, with long hair, and fair skin. And you're being silly again if you think that what's popular today is what will be popular in another 10 years. I can think of times when all sorts of stuff were the "in thing"... like: dark skin, short hair, heavier weight, etc.

There will always be racism, always. Why? Because the way many people think it can be fixed is by giving special treatment to one race over another. That just breeds racism. Or maybe we just don't talk about it. Then the ignorance continues. We can't change the world on this subject, but we can change ourselves and hopefully effect those around us for the better.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:24 am

If someone automatically assumes you're racist because of the color of your skin then it's reverse racism.

Why is it "reverse" for racism to be aimed at white people? This phrase always bugs the hell out of me.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:50 am

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Pancakes made at home from scratch far surpass the preprocessed, preservative laden disks marketed under the names of Aunt Jemimah, Bisquick, and Jimmy Dean.
Aunt Jemimah is also a derogatory colloquialism used in the south to denigrate individuals, so his reaction could have been justitifed.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:55 am

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Pancakes made at home from scratch far surpass the preprocessed, preservative laden disks marketed under the names of Aunt Jemimah, Bisquick, and Jimmy Dean.
Aunt Jemimah is also a derogatory colloquialism used in the south to denigrate individuals, so his reaction could have been justitifed.

Only if used in a malicious context.