racial terms question

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 am

That's reverse racism.
I am White lol. And really it is just a sad bit of information. Just really look around you for the minorities in your area. Then think on how they are perceived or how you perceive them. Then think on how you are perceived.

As I said if you want to debate with me about this PM me. I don't want to get the OP's topic closed. Probably shouldn't have posted anyways but color blindness kind of started me going. Meh...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:40 am

If it comes up again, ask him if he's accusing you of being racist because you're white.

That should clear things up.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:39 am

I like Granny Smith apples, must be racist to the red types :rolleyes:

Yeah you're all good, the guys just acting the fool.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:08 pm

I am White lol. And really it is just a sad bit of information. Just really look around you for the minorities in your area. Then think on how they are perceived or how you perceive them. Then think on how you are perceived.

As I said if you want to debate with me about this PM me. I don't want to get the OP's topic closed. Probably shouldn't have posted anyways but color blindness kind of started me going. Meh...
Again. :P

I'd better stay out of it this time. ^_^
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:20 am

Call me when America has a white history month, or helps people in college becuase they are white.
Dont get me started on reperations. The only ones who deserve it now are the Japanese Americans, who were put into camps.
The rhetoric you're using clearly shows a total non-understanding of racial issues; your privilege is showing.

White history month? What is this, talkback radio?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:31 am

okay i was talking to my coworker about pancakes mind you, i said i enjoy aunt jamah (sp) pancakes, this guy got really mad and said i was being racist for saying aunt jamah
is it really a racial term or is he full of himself?
if it is, how?

Even if you said words that were horribly racist, that doesn't make you racist. Being a racist makes you racist.

It's all about intent.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:20 am

The rhetoric you're using clearly shows a total non-understanding of racial issues; your privilege is showing.

White history month? What is this, talkback radio?

I belong to a racial minority, perhaps the smallest minority, in that I'm mixed race.
I oppose black history month because it's segregationist, and unnecessary, as black history when taught in America is American history.


What privilege do I have then?

It's the same shaming method the extremist feminists use.

"men who are falsely accused of [censored] sometimes can gain from the experience"
me- That's totally effed up, what if I said women who are [censored] can sometimes gain from the experience?
feminist- THAT'S JUST WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:08 am

I belong to a racial minority, perhaps the smallest minority, in that I'm mixed race.

Just as an aside, I've always found the term "mixed race" to be slightly offensive. It's like you're expected to not have an identity apart from that which you can get from being a mix of black/white/yellow/red/whatever.

"men who are falsely accused of [censored] sometimes can gain from the experience"
me- That's totally effed up, what if I said women who are [censored] can sometimes gain from the experience?
feminist- THAT'S JUST WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE!

:lmao: Are you serious? I have some (extremely) feminist friends, and even they would say that's bat[censored] crazy.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:27 am

Just as an aside, I've always found the term "mixed race" to be slightly offensive. It's like you're expected to not have an identity apart from that which you can get from being a mix of black/white/yellow/red/whatever.



:lmao: Are you serious? I have some (extremely) feminist friends, and even they would say that's bat[censored] crazy.
Yep, here are some:
"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things." -- Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
Margaret Sanger

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking [censored]." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto (SCUM stands for Society for Cutting Up Men)

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male six." -- Valerie Solanas
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:48 am

These sound like some fiesty females.



Do they have partners :unsure:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:21 pm

These sound like some fiesty females.



Do they have partners :unsure:

Probably not, I think their views are shaped in some manner by their very inability to get one.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 am

Ooooh.., I wanna cut through this like a light saber...

Yep, here are some:
"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things." -- Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
Exactly, so what the hell is the problem here? Besides, I thought SCUM was founded by Loraine Bobbit..

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.
I find this strange since 99% of all garbage collectors are men..

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)
I haven't had six in more than two years, and that's all I've had :(

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
So that the other 90% can sync their menzies every month.. hell no!

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.
For this reason I really hate female bank managers btw.

"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
Margaret Sanger
She's also the grand dragon of the KKK..

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking [censored]." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto (SCUM stands for Society for Cutting Up Men)
Of course we're machines.. otherwise six would be really boring, now wouldn't it?

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male six." -- Valerie Solanas
..and to remake the world into an eternal Martha Stewart themed Tupperware party? Please kill me first.




sorry, reading hyperbole makes me hyperbole.. I don't think this way, I'm just a simple guy who makes excellent pancakes.

:tongue:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:11 pm

Americans and racism. :ahhh:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:53 am

People and stereotyping. :ahhh:

Fixed.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:01 am

Even if you said words that were horribly racist, that doesn't make you racist. Being a racist makes you racist.

It's all about intent.
This.

The co-worker of the OP seems out of line. I could see maybe the person giving his 2cents why the company or term bothered him but sheesh. The OP was only saying he liked a brand of food product.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:26 am

Fixed.

I didn't mean that all americans are racist. I want to emphasize the connection between the usa and the whole discussion about racism. It's different in my country.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:59 pm

The rhetoric you're using clearly shows a total non-understanding of racial issues; your privilege is showing.

White history month? What is this, talkback radio?
Yes im totally out of it, only a privileged white man, can say such things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s But go ahead, keep drawing attention to race, becuase thats totally how we will get rid of racism.
Meanwhile, I will keep to my oh so ignorant, ways of treating people the same, and not thinking about thier race. Yes im the one who is wrong.

K can we take this to PM or do you want me to just answer it here?

I will give you the tip of the iceberg.

Do not click unless you want to see some political crap.
Spoiler

Btw White history month does not exist. It is White History Month(S). 11 months out of the year. Black History month is a pretty stupid way to promote equality. Black history in the United States is United States history. Black History month should be part of US History. However our US history courses do not really touch on those things. Most White people are so well off they do not need the help in college, or the testing systems benefit them to such a degree it comes out the same as well. The institutions in place cause things to be very hard for people at the poverty line. Especially minorities, who are stuck at the poverty line. You really think nothing carried over from the Jim Crow days and segregation? However in some cases a poor white person is worse off than a poor minority because of the way institutions are handled. However it is arguable that there are all sorts of little things that help white people in US society. Let me ask you a few things and be honest. Do these points that I will link you to apply to you? Please read the whole thing if you can. http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html
No its not. My school taught us British history (UK). Not once did they mention race.
Most white people are well off... *sigh* That is just stupid. I know plenty of white kids who arent well off, but hey lets just cling to the steryotype, totally what we should do when combating racism.
*opens link*
Ok lets do this.

Spoiler


1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
I can, but I dont care, my best friend is peruvian/welsh, my other friend is Indian, another was Jamican/welsh, I knew quite a few filipeno's too. But yeah I should totally care about race of those people. But fine I can do that.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
What the [censored] is this [censored] ? Jesus christ this is backwards. Trained to mistrust, christ this is stupid, is this assuming 80% of all white people are in the KKK ? And no, I had to spend my time in school with violent people, and drug users. I was trained to avoid/mistrust both.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
lol no.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
Nope.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
Correct, but my non white friends havent been harrassed either. People dont care about race, I had 2 white people ask me to fight them (complete strangers) on 2 occasions.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
Yes, but it is the UK, you know, Europe, where whites come from and live, and has a white majority. I wouldnt visit China, and complain the TV has so many Chinese people. Then again, I dont see why I would care about race.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
Well it is the UK, or should we retcon HenryVII and make him black, for equality ? Romans are now Japanese.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
Why would my children be learning about whatever race they are ? I would rather them, be given a British history lesson, not some racial crap.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
Given how much, society likes to use reverse racism, and guilt. Yes it would be easy.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
Nope.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
Yep, like I said, my best friend is preuvian/welsh not many of those around south Wales.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
Yep, but I also see music from non whites, yep I also see food from all over asia, and lots of places preparing halal food. Why the [censored] would race matter in geting a haircut ? (its been stupid so far, but these are gutting worse and worse)
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
The [censored]. Steryotypes... You are using steryotypes to talk about how bad racism is... I have seen some stupid [censored] in my time...
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
Maybe, but thats the same for anyone, I hate white kids and im white. Whats this to do with race again ?
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
Nope, I just need to tell them if they are white, they arent evil it seems.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
My school had Indians, Polish, Italians, Filipeno's, Africans and Portugese. Those are jsut the ones I knew about, no they dont give a [censored] about that stuff.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
No, people will think your a pig no matter your race.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
Yep I can do those things, but im white, im not supposed to be poor right, so why is it acceptable for me to wear 2nd hand clothes ?
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
No I cant speak in public, race has nothing to do with it.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
I have never seen anyone say that about any race, ever.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
No I am not, then again, we dont group people becuase of race.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
I think this asks if I feel bad, for not knowing about other cultures. Why would I, im in the UK. If I was in another country, I would care about thier culture, but im not.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
How is this race again ? Last I checked white people can have different cultures.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
Sure whatever, but why would I care ?
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
Oh god is this pathetic. Yes, but [censored], this is pissing me off.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
Yep, but I dont really care.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
Yes, I do feel I dont belong with lots of people.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
No, no it wouldnt.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
Again, not giving a [censored] about race, you should try it sometime.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
Nope.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
I am not sure what this is asking...
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.My culture dosent seem to care about race much.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
No im not, but I have yet too see this happen to others.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
Nope, apparently this discussion, makes me a prvileged white boy, ignorant to racism.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
I can.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
I dont no.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
Maybe.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
I dont think about race, how is this related to my options ?
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
This is getting pathetic, and boring.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
I get mistreated by white people, im white. Race is irrelivnet, stop blaming everything on race. Its just trying to cause racism, at this point.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
National Health Service, look at the first word. Hint it has nothing to do with race.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
No, my friends who werent white, didnt seem to act differently either.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
Yes, but it dosent happen to others either.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
Nope.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
Sure, I can also see art from other races/cultures.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
Maybe, white people come in different colours/shades.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
Sure, and it wouldnt matter what my spouse's race was.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
No.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
???
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
No I dont.

Wow that was alot of [censored] to wade through. People seemed to be TRYING to make those racial issues.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:13 pm

I belong to a racial minority, perhaps the smallest minority, in that I'm mixed race.
I oppose black history month because it's segregationist, and unnecessary, as black history when taught in America is American history.
That's my point, if you think a "History Month" is some how even relevant to the discussion, you don't get it.

Also, you shouldn't confuse what the word privilege means in the context used by feminists or when talking about race with the context it's normally used, a better word is probably "experience", white people are inherently going to have a different experience of race, and therefore a resulting differing viewpoint on the issue.

Half the problem is that people look at what the extremists are saying and then discount the rest - a strawman - what do radical feminists have to do with the prevailing ideas about sociology?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:08 pm

I didn't mean that all americans are racist. I want to emphasize the connection between the usa and the whole discussion about racism. It's different in my country.
That's how I feel about it, Americans seem awfully concerned about race issues. Here in the Netherlands, we only discriminate based on religion. :chaos:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Probably not, I think their views are shaped in some manner by their very inability to get one.
I'll put myself inbetween them and the rest of the male populace for the good of the male populace - Actually no I might get eaten :ermm:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:22 pm

I cant risk another warning.

(This forum needs a delete option)
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 am

... I dont see an issue, religion ties into culture, and effects peoples morals. That effects how people act.
I view it in the same way as a persons political views. (I will discriminate based on those too)
Yeah I know, and I don't think it is necessarily wrong either, but I made a joke about it because it is a really big issue in the Netherlands right now. Very political, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:07 pm

Yeah I know, and I don't think it is necessarily wrong either, but I made a joke about it because it is a really big issue in the Netherlands right now. Very political, so I'll leave it at that.
I dont really keep up with the Netherlands politics :tongue: But I think I know who your talking about (Initials are GW ?). I thought people ignored the guy. Learn something new, every day. If they are paying him attention, I find this interesting.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:38 pm

Religion is a set of beliefs that one chooses to subscribe to as they are supposed to represent the adherent's world view.
Criticizing people's world views is legitimate.

Nobody is born religious, and people can change religion if they want to. In that way, it is unlike gender or race as those things are involuntary.

That's all I'm going to say.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:55 pm

Religion is a set of beliefs that one chooses to subscribe to as they are supposed to represent the adherent's world view.
Criticizing people's world views is legitimate.

Nobody is born religious, and people can change religion if they want to. In that way, it is unlike gender or race as those things are involuntary.

That's all I'm going to say.
I like you.

So uh yeah, that racial stuff.
I think the guy was overreacting, its annoying when white people (assuming the guy is white), are telling others what other races find offensive.
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