racial terms question : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 am

okay i was talking to my coworker about pancakes mind you, i said i enjoy aunt jamah (sp) pancakes, this guy got really mad and said i was being racist for saying aunt jamah
is it really a racial term or is he full of himself?
if it is, how?

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:43 am

He's just joking.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:44 pm

okay i was talking to my coworker about pancakes mind you, i said i enjoy aunt jamah (sp) pancakes, this guy got really mad and said i was being racist for saying aunt jamah
is it really a racial term or is he full of himself?
if it is, how?

Wait... These are a specific restaurant/brand/recipe of pancakes?

Yeah, he's full of himself.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:14 am

He's just joking.

no he was dead on serious, if not he was really good at faking it

Wait... These are a specific restaurant/brand/recipe of pancakes?

Yeah, he's full of himself.

brand

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:28 pm

Nah, you're good.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:22 am

The only racism I like to talk about is the Imperial/Dumner relationship on colonized Vvardenfel.

And also, anything that's not real Maple Syrup is a lie. :stare:

Keep that in mind.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:57 am

If anything, he's being racist for calling you racist for something that's not racist.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:17 pm

The only racism I like to talk about is the Imperial/Dumner relationship on colonized Vvardenfel.

And also, anything that's not real Maple Syrup is a lie. :stare:

Keep that in mind.

We tap our own syrup sometimes. It's been a while but it's pretty awesome when you can eat pancakes with maple syrup from your back yard.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:53 pm

Idk, sounds like BS to me. If he was serious he was way too oversensitive and needs to get over himself.

Take this with a grain of salt and pay attention to it. http://www.auntjemima.com/aj_history/
Oh here is a petition to close the Icon down. http://www.petitiononline.com/aj461153/petition.html

Aunt Jemima was a racist concept used to reinforce the idea of an ideal southern slave women and was used to market a product. That is pretty much as far as the racism goes and I can see nothing wrong with what you said unless you said it to a Black person in a very flippant way. Maybe then it could be cause for the racism card but this does not seem like that type of situation and your coworker is being a little whiny [censored] if he is making a big deal out of that. Though maybe he was joking with you and you took it the wrong way too. Some White people can be very overly sensitive about being called racist, even within a joking context.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:56 pm

We tap our own syrup sometimes. It's been a while but it's pretty awesome when you can eat pancakes with maple syrup from your back yard.

I love that idea. As you might imagine we here in Vermont get pretty passionate about our syrup. I really respect anyone who can pull their own sugar and boil their own syrup. 40 gallons of sap to 1 gallon of syrup? Still totally worth it to me, especially when compared to that artificial stuff.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:15 am

I love that idea. As you might imagine we here in Vermont get pretty passionate about our syrup. I really respect anyone who can pull their own sugar and boil their own syrup. 40 gallons of sap to 1 gallon of syrup? Still totally worth it to me, especially when compared to that artificial stuff.

I like the artificial syrup better than the pure stuff...

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:57 am

If anything, he's being racist for calling you racist for something that's not racist.

We have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

Only people who pay attention to race, are racist.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:42 am

We have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

Only people who pay attention to race, are racist.

Not really, people who ignore the plight of other races are not helping the problem and are contributing to this 'myth' that all is well and good in the race department. Racism is still a major issue for many people. Mostly because of institutionalized racism though more than individual racism.

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/10things.htm

The "Race as a modern concept" thing might be a bit of a stretch, Race was not as big of a deal prior to the 16th century though for most societies it still existed. Everything else is pretty solid.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:00 pm

I like the artificial syrup better than the pure stuff...

Silly you.
Yet:
De gustibus non est disputandum.
:shrug:

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:04 pm

I like the artificial syrup better than the pure stuff...

Me too.

And now I'm craving pancakes.... or french toast.

Oh OT: Nah. People just like to be silly about these things. Besides, Mrs. Butterworth is way better.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:48 pm

Not really, people who ignore the plight of other races are not helping the problem and are contributing to this 'myth' that all is well and good in the race department. Racism is still a major issue for many people. Mostly because of institutionalized racism though more than individual racism.

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/10things.htm

The "Race as a modern concept" thing might be a bit of a stretch, Race was not as big of a deal prior to the 16th century though for most societies it still existed. Everything else is pretty solid.

that link doesn't exactly inspire me to believe that people who feel insulted on behalf of someone else's race because you said something that might have the slightest hint of a racist origin aren't racist or that people who didn't recognize the racist hint of words are racist

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:40 am

Racism is still a major issue for many people.

Yes.

Mostly because of institutionalized racism though more than individual racism.

No. The problem of racism is still both institutional and personal. Personal racism is still present in most people, except it's usually borne out of casual ignorance rather than intentional malice, now.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:20 am

Society is so sensitive these days that almost anything that comes out of someones mouth (when regarding races) can be called racist. I wouldn't worry about it, usually if a person finds something racist that had no intention of being racist in the first place is the person being racist.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:17 am

Not really, people who ignore the plight of other races are not helping the problem and are contributing to this 'myth' that all is well and good in the race department. Racism is still a major issue for many people. Mostly because of institutionalized racism though more than individual racism.

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/10things.htm

The "Race as a modern concept" thing might be a bit of a stretch, Race was not as big of a deal prior to the 16th century though for most societies it still existed. Everything else is pretty solid.

*treat everyone the same regaurdless of race*
*still get blamed for racism*

What a glorious society I live in. You can do what you want, I will treat blacks, asians and hispanics, the same way I treat whites. If anyone has a problem with that, to hell with them.
I have seen it before, they demand equality, then when I am treating them as equals, people [censored]. Its not me thats the problem, its them.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:33 am

Yes.

No. The problem of racism is still both institutional and personal. Personal racism is still present in most people, except it's usually borne out of casual ignorance rather than intentional malice, now.

One leads into the other. Personal racism is now caused more through ignorance as you said rather than malice. Doesn't help that that ignorance often stems from the media and other outlets. History class being a prime example. How often do you hear of other racial groups contributions to US history? And I mean all of US history. This is just one of many forms of subtle racism and this type specifically reinforces a white superiority complex by basically informing them that they are the only ones who did anything that mattered in US history. While simultaneously depriving all the other racial groups of most of their contributions.

Sorry I am getting off topic and do not want to get this thread locked. Probably is considered too political.

@Ratslayer, I'm not calling you racist at all. Just saying color blindness does not help anyone and race is important, at least for culture and such. Being "color blind" is not racist, it is just a reaction people think is a solution which isn't.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:40 am

One leads into the other. Personal racism is now caused more through ignorance as you said rather than malice. Doesn't help that that ignorance often stems from the media and other outlets. History class being a prime example. How often do you hear of other racial groups contributions to US history? And I mean all of US history. This is just one of many forms of subtle racism and this type specifically reinforces a white superiority complex by basically informing them that they are the only ones who did anything that mattered in US history. While simultaneously depriving all the other racial groups of most of their contributions.

Sorry I am getting off topic and do not want to get this thread locked. Probably is considered too political.

Call me when America has a white history month, or helps people in college becuase they are white.
Dont get me started on reperations. The only ones who deserve it now are the Japanese Americans, who were put into camps.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:02 am

Well, according to Wikipedia:

The term "Aunt Jemima" is sometimes used colloquially as a female version of the derogatory label "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom". In this context, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang term "Aunt Jemima" falls within the "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_archetype", and refers to a friendly black woman who is perceived as obsequiously servile or acting in, or protective of, the interests of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_jemima#cite_note-11} The 1950s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_%28show%29 came under fire for depicting a "mammy"-like black http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housemaid and cook who was somewhat reminiscent of Aunt Jemima.

But, I think the person who objected to the term being used at all was an idiot. One is not racist for referring to the book, Uncle Tom's Cabin, by name, nor is one racist for referring to Aunt Jemima Syrup by name.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:31 am

Call me when America has a white history month, or helps people in college becuase they are white.
Dont get me started on reperations. The only ones who deserve it now are the Japanese Americans, who were put into camps.

K can we take this to PM or do you want me to just answer it here?

I will give you the tip of the iceberg.

Do not click unless you want to see some political crap.

Spoiler

Btw White history month does not exist. It is White History Month(S). 11 months out of the year. Black History month is a pretty stupid way to promote equality. Black history in the United States is United States history. Black History month should be part of US History. However our US history courses do not really touch on those things. Most White people are so well off they do not need the help in college, or the testing systems benefit them to such a degree it comes out the same as well. The institutions in place cause things to be very hard for people at the poverty line. Especially minorities, who are stuck at the poverty line. You really think nothing carried over from the Jim Crow days and segregation? However in some cases a poor white person is worse off than a poor minority because of the way institutions are handled. However it is arguable that there are all sorts of little things that help white people in US society. Let me ask you a few things and be honest. Do these points that I will link you to apply to you? Please read the whole thing if you can. http://jimbuie.blogs.com/journal/2007/11/50-examples-of-.html

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:51 pm

That's reverse racism.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:29 am

But, I think the person who objected to the term being used at all was an idiot. One is not racist for referring to the book, Uncle Tom's Cabin, by name, nor is one racist for referring to Aunt Jemima Syrup by name.

Yes. OP, that person is an idiot. What are you supposed to call the pancakes if not that? Aunt pancakes? Female African American pancakes? That's a bit like objecting to the use of QueerFest by straight people.

Knee-jerk high-horsery. That's all this is.