Why are you talking about Doom 2, it is impossible to play a game with poor graphics and poor animations, even Doom 3 looks bad now.

ID didn't even have common sense to make a linear game with the replayability of Resident Evil 4 and 5, and I trust you know how that was accomplished..

im old-school gamer, and i love games of the 90s, because many of them plays better than many games today
RE4 is an awesome game, but i complete it once and dont want to play it again, because i already knew the story

look at this if you not see
[img]http://gamerjunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/wpid-fps.jpg[/img]

can you name 5 fps games with rpg elements in sp that was a blast for the market?

they were talkinga bout those games, because they were illustrating that they had replay value..

if all you are going to do is complain about a game that hasnt even come out yet, why are you here?

rage is the biggest disappointment in 2011 for me, bar none. Maybe all-time actually.

When I first saw screenshots of this game my hopes were off the charts. I was expecting an insanely good one-up over borderlands. Sadly, borderlands looking better than this in terms of co-op play and replayability.

DOn't understand why they made it like they did. I'm just not understand it at all.

any game easily one ups borderlands.
if thats your idea of a good game, its no wonder this game doesnt appeal to you

el oh el? In terms of co-op with fps shooter you can't do much better than borderlands. The rpg elements were just the icing on the cake.

to me, borderlands was a grind with no real payoff.
what Id is trying to do is make a rewarding single player game.
the co-op that they do include is icing.

if youre a PC, i wouldnt worry.. ther will be a whole lotta mods for this game, considering its megatexture tools alone. people are going to be building a lot ono this, i imagine.

Sorry, if you believe DoW 2 was in any way shape or form better than the first game, you are as per every category imaginable, an idiot.

Yes, I am pc. BUt this game, all it is is borderlands Or fallout with every feature stripped out. I don't get it. It's lackluster and the only thing it has going for it are its visuals. It's co-op isn't even connected to the main sandbox campaign. I don't get it at all.

if you trully think that it is gonna be a fallout/borderlands clone, only lackluster, then you havent been paying enough attention.
AI on this game will blow the AI for those games out of the water.
it will have better shoorter mechanics than either of those two games. I love F3, but as a shooter, its weak. borderlands was just weak all the way around.. weak RPG elements and weak shooter elemnts.. Co-op was the only thing that made it even half worth it, and even then its a stretch.

as for the sandbox not being co-op
theres absolutely no evidence that those missions will be linear. its just that co-op does not fit with the main story..
youll still be in the same world as the singleplayer, from everyting ive seen. it will just be different co-op geared missions.

again, they are making a rewarding sinple player game. Every FPS out there has online deathmatch, CTF multiplyer action.
Id has been there.. it exists because of Id. They dont want to do the same things that everyone else is doing now.
The game is going to be huge at a terabye in size.
if people want more, the modding community will deliver, but theyve packed plenty into the game from their end.
Wolfenstien, Doom and Quake were the same way.

i urge everyone to get off of the preconcieved notions bus.. at the bery least until the game is relased.

Doesn't change the fact that its the same thing as borderlands // fallout, but with no loot no real co-op, and stripped down of every cool feature that borderlands//fallout had. It's just a mediocre shooter compared to fallout/borderlands aside from the visuals. Like I said, I don't get it.

There aren't even that many weapons to play with.. and they always stay the same? Lame.... I mean come on.

tell me how its the same thing.


and no, the weapons dont always stay the same.
ive said to you a few times, youre not paying enough attention.
do some research and find out what is actually going on before getting so dissapointed or compaining.

I was only interested in this game in the first place because I thought it was going to be sandboxed co-op fps. It's not, not really anyway. So... yes, still disappointed.

lol. the online co-op IS sanedbox.. its just not the same quests that are in the main story.

any rate.. i cant see how you and countless other people of the iopinion you are of dont get that them including the game editor means you will have all of the tools tehy used to make the game..
i forsee huge sandbox multiplyers coming from this.. they will just be mod sourced and not officially released thorugh Id.

That's your opinion, I played and replayed CoD 1-4 dozens of times. Besides this is open world with upgradable weapons and vehicles. It's a shooter with RPG elements.

COD 1-4 was made by ID??

Btw, CoD4' extremely primitive campaign(infinite spawns, invisible lines and walls, inability to open doors, inability to destroy wood with a rocket launcher etc..) set a horribly low standard for SP FPS campaigns, you can see its toxic influence in every FPS since..

A problem is when something goes wrong, this never went wrong because it never was supposed to happen, therefore the game is going entirely in the right direction, you just happen to not like the direction the game is going in.

RAGE isn't ruined.... YOUR MIND IS!!!

It is sandbox, it is coop, and it is an FPS. It's not an RPG, which seems to be your problem.

man i cannot believe this thread is still going. i still only see blah blah blah. and then more........more blah blah blah. Metamorph or whatever your name is, i think you should be banned for starting blah blah blah threads

there are 8 co-op "levels" that are not a part of the main game. I don't think its going to be sandbox at all.

RPG only adds replayable value, so I don't know why anyone is defending it that it shouldn't be a rpg or was never intended to be a rpg. Why make a sandbox shooter and then only add in only a limited amount of rpg elements? Because there ARE rpg elements in the game. The developers have already stated it as such. So why not go the extra 10 yards with it? I don't get it. It feels like its lacking many components that add to replayability.

And the co-op being shunned off to the side doesn't help this games situation at all. Lol @ 2 player only / pukes.

Because, like it has been argued in this very thread before, adding RPG elements can hurt the gameplay in a game that's supposed to be a shooter first of all. Someone pointed out a few posts back how in Borderlands you used the same weapon type most of the game in order to be really proficient with it, and that is a very good point. In RPGs jack-of-all-trades builds usually aren't very good, you need to become elite with one or two weapon types. In a good FPS however there is a nice variety of weapons, and you have to use all of them, because there is a nice variety of enemies as well with diff movement speeds, ranged/melee weapons etc. I liked how in oldschool id games you needed to mix up your weapon usage constantly, and they were all very different weapons, not just different types of machine guns. Another drawback of adding more RPG elements is making enemies bullet sponges, slowing down the combat, and making it more repetitive.

Why make it a sandbox shooter without many RPG elements? Maybe because many people want just that? Just Cause 2, Far Cry games, GTA games, Saints Row series, Stalker games, are all open-world games with limited or no RPG elements, and many people liked them. Those people and of course the old school id fans are the primary audience for this game, not neccessarily hardcoe RPG fans. It might not be your cup of tea, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the main concept of it.

stalker and far cry were insanely boring, no offense.

Also, adding rpg elements only adds more content and more things you can do, it doesn't change how the main FPS game can be played "FPS". So whatever point you were making kinda didn't make any sense to me. I'll just wait for borderlands 2.

To you. Like I said these might not be the types of game that you are looking for, but there is an audience excited for them. There are many people who find Borderlands or Fallout boring because there isn't enough action for them (not me, but they exist).
Its fine if you dont like it, but I just disagree with you and the other guy in this thread who says a game cannot be good without RPG elements. It all depends on what the devs want to achieve, and if they make sth that doesn't directly appeal to you, that doesn't make it bad. Rage is primarily a shooter, it won't be a failure (or ruined if you like...) if RPG players wont like it, it will be a failure if shooter fans wont like it. But I doubt that will be the case.

Your argument fails because it can be a shooter while still having a lot of content, aka fallout//borderlands. You aren't taking anything away from the shooter aspect of the game, you are only adding more content. Once agian, I don't see your point. I play cod, battlefield, all that, i also play fallout and borderlands. They are all FPS to the core, just fallout and borderlands have much more content to them. That's pretty much it. I don't see how you are taking away from a FPS feel by adding content. I don't think think you really know what you are saying. You are just one of the many other people blindly defending this game giving a deaf ear to what is being stated.