Rant of the casual gamer!

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:47 pm

I think the "serious" gamers here are putting a lot of people off by their rants about how "it's dumbed down for the casual gamer and it's not a good game because of it", insinuating that the casual gamer who enjoys the game is, by association, "dumb". Of course, given that the common perception of the "serious gamer" is a mouth breathing troglodyte with the people skills of a flatulent ostrich who lives in their mothers basemant who still hasn't kissed a woman at age 32, have at it, angry serious gamers! The 2nd paragraph is a joke. The first is serious. I am a serious gamer. I love my games, albeit I don't have as much spare time as I used to. When you carry on like pork chops with the absurd elitism, I side with the casual gamer, mainly because I am embarrassed to be associated with you. Really... elitism? Over a game? LOL! You may as well express elitism over your collection of toenail clippings.

I think you totally nailed how many of us here feel. Beautifully said, sir.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:28 pm

You are reading the Skill books, right?

By "not reading" I assume he meant he just cracks the cover and doesn't bother to flip through the pages.

Me, I only actually read books that obviously have something to do with a quest, they often will give clues as to how to solve puzzles and such.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:38 am

I want to beat the hardcoe crowd to the punch, your exactly whats wrong with this community, and this is why Skyrim and the future TES games will be terrible :down:
Wanting more options, optional at that, is ruining the game? You make me laugh.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:10 am

Whats this post for? o.O If you're playing it this way then fine, no one's stopping you yea? I used to play this way with oblivion as well, as i didnt have much time to play back then.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:04 pm

papercut_ninja, Sir, you are a gift! You have truly spoken out of my CoD loving heart.

*puts on amulet of Mara*
I can't believe that someone like you isn't spoken for. :banana:

Whats this post for? o.O If you're playing it this way then fine, no one's stopping you yea? I used to play this way with oblivion as well, as i didnt have much time to play back then.
Because many people here write things like "I hate Beth for putting this and that in the game" and are complaining that other people than the hardcoe never-fast-travel-and-if-you-die-you-have-to-delete-your-save-file guys can enjoy the game as well.
I would be glad if the MW fans out there could have their journal and spell aking back, IF I can keep my fast travel, my perks and don't have to read the damn diary.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:42 pm

I want to beat the hardcoe crowd to the punch, your exactly whats wrong with this community, and this is why Skyrim and the future TES games will be terrible :down:

Someone obviously has no real-life responsibilities yet.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:35 pm

I don't understand this post. I too have litle time to play, have a family with child <1year and I can't touch the computer while at home and him not sleeping.
I have way less time to play then when I played Morrowind but still consider MW did a few things better while Skyrim has improvements mostly because the technology advanced. At this time Skyrim is the only game I play and I would play because of the limited time I have but this doesn't mean I can't voice against things that seem to be drawbacks in it.
Let's take fast travel for example as one of the most time saving things for us. I use it too but this doesn't mean I like it. You are missing the main problem: this game was designed that you need to use it if you don't have all the time in the world to wonder around the province. Is been how many years since MW and Oblivion? I consider enough time for them to come up with something entertaining so you don't need to add fast travel. There are people that would play Skyrim as it is without using fast travel, good for them, I can't do that but I want a game that won't make me do it in order to keep me entertained the whole time.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:47 pm

*dramatic version*

Farewell TES. Gonna miss you, but i guess gaming is moving on to something different :')
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:03 pm

To paraphrase the tone and level of elitism expressed in some other threads:

"Not only do I never fast travel, when I play I walk in pace with the character on a treadmill, and I wear a custom made forsworn outfit while playing and force myself to eat everything I eat or drink in the game (some of those mushrooms have made me really nauseous though)...this is the ONLY way to truly experience a TES-game the way it was meant to be played..."

So all of those who say you don′t get the point with this rant...get it now?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:00 pm

It has nothing to do with Eliteism. It has everything to do with the OP wanting a game dumbed down because he doesn't have time to play it. Guess what? That is his problem, why does it have to be mine?

Why should a series that I have loved since Daggerfall be dumbed down just to cater to those who don't have time to immerse themselves into an RPG. There are plenty of games that you can pick up and play and put down without any effort or time involved. An RPG should never be one of those types of games.

I don't call fighting for a more complex RPG "Eliteism".

Rignt here bud........I'm with ya'

I still got Daggerfall loaded on my win 95 dinosaur machine, and go back to it, for lore, and better character CUSTOMIZATION.

Graphics do not make a great Crpg

There are plenty of indie titles that show this.

My beloved TES series is not evolving at all.........it's getting "easier" (I will try to refrain from the "d" word)....

Well to be honest, easy means ..............It makes me feel like I am a dumb ass.....

Rpgs were meant to be exploration without hand holding mechanics........now, it's just....... plug and play, everyone swings a sword.

I still like Skyrim, and I understand the OP's point. There needs to be options though for the serious roleplayer, or quests need to
be more difficult.

For example:

You get a quest from and npc.
It fills your journal, with only basic clues on to where it is, and what it is.
(the option to have a glow stick showing you the way should be buried in the options as an option, not by default).
The hardcoe rper will go out and not want to get any clues as to helping on the quest.
Anyone else will have to option to ask a guard for clues (easy to do with conversation scripting).

The guard tells you to go to this person,and they will tell you another clue....etc.

The way it is now, the default system makes me think they made the game for mindless drones ONLY.......

If you can't see this in game, then I really feel bad for the masses......

Again, I love Skyrim, but I have to play it on master diff., with mods, quest markers off, a tweaked compass, etc.
So, as far as I am concerned, I will be happy when the Creation Kit comes out, and I can mod my game to be the way
Bethesda is unable to make it for me........difficult to play, and added customization and roleplay aspects.

The rest of you can have what you want, It won't bother me a bit.
Just sayn'...........
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:31 pm

Ok here goes...

I am a passionate gamer, especially when it comes to RPG games which I have played ever since the breakthrough of tabletop roleplaying games. I also work, and I have a family and other commitments, I don′t have endless of time to spend on making a game the ultimate experience of immersion.

In response to how a lot of people I read express themselves in regards to HOW the game should be played I would like to state the following:

-I FAST TRAVEL, all the time, everywhere...I don′t believe that my experience and enjoyment of the game is lost because I don′t spend 20 minutes hiking from Riften to Whiterun every time the thieves guild wants me to pickpocket someone. If I could fast travel in real life between my home and workplace I sure as hell would, so why would I not in a game? Maybe I will miss some fantastic conversation between a farmer and his wife by not taking the time to wander from place to place...I don′t care, I am having fun playing the game without discovering everything, and at the pace I progress I won′t be done with the game before something equally interesting and enjoying is released that I can enjoy. So it′s not like I am going to sit and have nothing to do when I am finished.

Translation: I'm a yuppy suffering from ADD who has no patience and no sense of adventure. I want all my pleasures instantly.

-No, I don′t read the books in Skyrim, neither did I read the books in Oblivion or Morrowind, because I am PLAYING a game. If I wanted to read I would pick up something by Stephanie Meyer and read it...

Translation: I failed English lit. in high school and can only cope with books about sparkling vampires aimed at 13 year old girls. I also can not spell Stephenie even though she's the only author I am capable of reading.

-I don′t look at the in-game time and think to myself "Oh, it′s almost 5 p.m. I must go and make myself a grilled leek sandwich now...". At the most I notice that the sky has shifted from bright to dark to bright again and figure it must have been night at some point.

Translation: My head is so big I can't see my monitor.

-I am not bothered by the fact that most citizens repeat the same generic conversations over and over again, I appreciate that the developers put the time and effort to add some voiceacting in the background when I visit an inn and don′t worry much more about it.

Translation: I never listen to other people because I already know all the answers.


-When I enter my home in Skyrim I go to the first container available and I dump EVERYTHING that I am not going to use right now or sell in the FIRST available container. It doesn′t bother me the least that my wardrobe is full of mushrooms, it makes it easier for me when I am looking for my mushrooms that I know that they are in the first container to the left when I come into my house.

Translation: My spouse has to clean up after me all day long.

-I don′t think that Morrowind is the greatest thing since sliced bread...in fact I didn′t enjoy it much at all. I don′t need to be told over and over again that EVERYTHING that is different than Morrowind makes the game worse...guess what, there is a game that is exactly like Morrowind, it′s called MORROWIND!

Translation: I couldn't fast travel in morrowind. It messed up my ADD.

-If it′s in the game it′s a mechanic, NOT an exploit. Personally I don′t have the patience to stand at an Arcane Enchanter table and click and press R to get my enchanting skill to 100 so I can make nuclear bows, but if someone feels that′s what they want to do, then it′s a legitimate way to solve the game.

Translation: I got kicked out of my local D&D club for being a munchkin.

-I use the quest arrow, again in real life, if I was trying to find a location in town I would prefer to use a GPS than not using one. Though in Skyrim it′s not really needed most of the time since most dungeons only have one path anyway, what I wouldn′t have given for a quest arrow in Daggerfall though.

Translation: I get lost all the time.

-I don′t eat, sleep, socialize, brush my teeth or get cleaned in game. If I wanted to play a game about everyday chores, I would play the Sims. If it has no effect in the game that I desire, I don′t do it. If brushing my teeth would give me a +15% frost resistance I would brush them all the time. It′s not like I am reading an adventure book or watching an actionmovie and think to myself, this would be so much more realistic and better if it portrayed Gandalf eating pancakes and trimming his toenails, why would I expect these things from a game in order for it to be entertaining?

Translation: I couldn't beat The Sims.

We are the 99% of gamers...we like playing our games casually!
(Putting on my +75 Fire Resistance boots in preparation for the flames)

Translation: By we, I mean me, myself and I. I deliberately posted all of this to piss people off because they make me feel like an epic fail with all the fun they're having with 'Imagination'. I wish I could imagine too.

Nobody ever said you're not allowed to play anyway you want and yet here you are, attacking the community because you feel like you're missing something. I try to avoid trolls but in your case it was fun making an exception.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:19 pm

Translation: I'm a yuppy suffering from ADD who has no patience and no sense of adventure. I want all my pleasures instantly.
Translation: I failed English lit. in high school and can only cope with books about sparkling vampires aimed at 13 year old girls. I also can not spell Stephenie even though she's the only author I am capable of reading.
Translation: My head is so big I can't see my monitor.
Translation: I never listen to other people because I already know all the answers.
Translation: My spouse has to clean up after me all day long.
Translation: I couldn't fast travel in morrowind. It messed up my ADD.
Translation: I got kicked out of my local D&D club for being a munchkin.
Translation: I get lost all the time.
Translation: I couldn't beat The Sims.
Translation: By we, I mean me, myself and I. I deliberately posted all of this to piss people off because they make me feel like an epic fail with all the fun they're having with 'Imagination'. I wish I could imagine too.

Nobody ever said you're not allowed to play anyway you want and yet here you are, attacking the community because you feel like you're missing something. I try to avoid trolls but in your case it was fun making an exception.
Translation: you are playing the game differently than me therefore you are wrong and a troll
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:38 am

Translation: you are playing the game differently than me therefore you are wrong and a troll
Translation: People with this overly casual attitude towards Skyrim are ruining the franchise
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:36 pm

3 things i find just...outlandish (i found most of it strange though) about that rant

1: you dont read the books, that is one of the things that sets TES apart
2: just dumping everything in a single container, i cant stand a boring and bare house, i have to make my house look nice if i will use it for anything so just throwing everything in a box at the door and leaving is impossble
3:
-No, I don′t read the books in Skyrim, neither did I read the books in Oblivion or Morrowind, because I am PLAYING a game. If I wanted to read I would pick up something by Stephanie Meyer and read it...

...i almost thought you were a decent (albeit strange) person :ermm:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:55 pm

In my mind any game labelled "RPG" should be for the hardcoe/far too much free time gamer, fantasy covers the casual gamers with the same idea
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:25 am

The Elder Scrolls VI will no longer have fast travel.

Instead all fast travel will be done via Angry Birds mini-game.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:35 pm

We are the 99% of gamers...we like playing our games casually!

How did you determine this figure? I've no problem with you playing the way to want to, but I think you're making assumptions about others.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:33 pm

Translation: People with this overly casual attitude towards Skyrim are ruining the franchise

I don′t recall sending a strongly worded letter to Bethesda with requests for changes in the franchise...I believe they decided on those changes all by themselves without any influence from me whatsoever...

In my mind any game labelled "RPG" should be for the hardcoe/far too much free time gamer, fantasy covers the casual gamers with the same idea

And when you design a game of your own you get to have complete control over all those aspects...but simply being a fan of other RPG′s or previous titles in the series does not make you a priviliged fan or customer.

Fans of punkrock music may argue that London Calling isn′t punk...but it was still entirely up to the Clash to decide what music they wanted to write and lots of fans, producers and reviewers of music all agree that London Calling was great music.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:37 am

-No, I don′t read the books in Skyrim, neither did I read the books in Oblivion or Morrowind, because I am PLAYING a game. If I wanted to read I would pick up something by Stephanie Meyer and read it...

Lost me right there.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:32 pm

I don′t recall sending a strongly worded letter to Bethesda with requests for changes in the franchise...I believe they decided on those changes all by themselves without any influence from me whatsoever...

Because you are the center of the world?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:50 am

Translation: you are playing the game differently than me therefore you are wrong and a troll

No. Everyone else is playing different than me and I feel left out so I joined up just to let everyone know that they svck for having fun doing mundane things in a game which, yes, makes me a troll. Really, how the hell do you criticize people for having fun at things you find boring? And why make it seem like people are trying to force you to have fun? Get real.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:00 pm

Play how you like, op. Sounds boring to me, but then I suspect my way would be boring to you. I suspect we have different tastes in books, too.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:12 pm

If I wanted to read I would pick up something by Stephanie Meyer and read it...

I just assumed I disagree with everything you've written once I got to this line. -shudder-
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:41 pm

"I don't have time" is a stupid excuse. It is a singleplayer game you can take as long as you want for crying out loud. I had two jobs when Morrowind came out, yet you never heard me crying about how time consuming the game is. Apparently it's different these days with a bunch of whiners and criers who think that a game should be made simple and easy to finish in a short amount of time..........just for them. That is the definition of being self centered.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:25 pm

"I don't have time" is a stupid excuse. It is a singleplayer game you can take as long as you want for crying out loud. I had two jobs when Morrowind came out, yet you never heard me crying about how time consuming the game is. Apparently it's different these days with a bunch of whiny babies who think that a game should be made simple and easy to finish in a short amount of time..........just for them. That is the definition of being self centered.

Of course I could play it as some others do and still eventually finish the game and have done and seen everything I want after two years, but to me that progresses the story too slowly. I want to move on with the story at some point and get further into the game and as such I take the shortcuts that are offered to me. I am not in it for the trees and the bunnies, I want to get to the mighty ruins where the powerful daedric artefact rests and experience adventure, not the same thing I could experience by taking a walk with a dog.
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