I find myself wondering if the Bethesda defenders that lurk these forums are actually staff given the sheer arrogance that comes across with some of their posts.

• I wonder, is Bethesda really that rotten from the very core of their business model?
  
• Is it Bethesda's unwavering patriotism that influenced their software to run okay on a US made console but not on a Japanese machine?
  
• Perhaps it was a shady back-slapping deal with Microsoft?
  
• Why wasn't Ubisoft used to port the game as was done with Oblivion?
  
• Why isn't Bethesda communicating with their customer base properly?
  
• Bethesda/Zenimax have a BBB.org business rating of F - does this mean nothing to them?
  
• Why hasn't an outside developer been hired to help iron out the engine issues?
  
• Why are Bethesda so dismissive of their loyal fan-base? (Take a tip from Polyphony Digital & Naughty Dog - real dev teams)
  
• Why is some form of compensation not being offered?
  
• Why isn't Sony investigating?
  
• Why are the gaming media not all over this?
  
• Why are GOTY awards still going to this game?

Lots of questions. I'm guessing Bethesda won't be playing ball - so I won't be buying their games any more.

And I will encourage any gamer I know not to part with their money, for any game endorsed by Bethesda. I am sick to death of seeing the decent members of this community repeatedly ignored. Bethesda staff are sounding more and more like dodgy car salesmen/back street doctors every single week. Just plain shady.

Bury your heads in the sand and it will go away, there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home....

I'm wondering the very same thing.

^^ Some people unfortunately love to defend a nameless corporation that doesnt give a rats *** about them, rather than the gaming community.

Unbelievable to say the least. Unless they own some kind of bethesa stock or if they are on a payroll. In any other case they are a prime example of what is wrong with gaming today.

I stand by they are on their payroll. Either that or some weird software corporation fetish.

Maybe they're just sick of a lifetime of whiners that come to the various tech supp forums across the industry of gaming to whine, when they can do that in more appropriate places set up specifically for such negligable rubbish. Tech supp forums are for people that want to work actively to sort out issues with thier titles. Most places have bug report forums, general IP forums and many other sub forums for everything else. Even sub forums for talking about non-IP related things. In most of those forums I could care less how much crap someone has to sift through to get an answer to the problems they can fix. However having to write up for the millionth time how to do the same thing, or sift through pages of irrelivant nonsense to get that info they need. Or worse that the disgruntled and useless minority of lurkers, of that sub forum actively go out of thier way to debunk truths and solutions or just the thread in general. Is just plain selfish and wrong. People don't come here to listen to you whne, chances are they have already sifted through a whole internet of crap before comming here for a solution. Seriously, take it to a different sub-forum and your losers with you and lick your wounds til the cows come home. No one will bother you.

But you come here to call-out the unsettled masses? Your vested interested in defending Bethesda and calling out decent community members is questionable at best.

But you do come here to listen to people whine. I wonder why? Who are you really?

Link: http://www.bbb.org/washington-dc-eastern-pa/Business-Reviews/computers-dealers/zenimax-media-inc-in-rockville-md-3729/Complaints/#breakdown

Dont even bother reasoning with him. Its exactly like you said. Some kind of fetish... he joined 2 weeks ago, has 180 posts 90% of them defending Bethesa... if that isnt indicative as to what he is doing here, then I dont know what is.

Also I know "whiners" that have fewer than 10+ posts per day, ironic if you think about it... The guy whines about whiners with 180 posts in less than 2 weeks time. Impressive...

That was unintelligible. I suggest you try and argue your points one at a time until you get better at it.

What the hell is that supposed to mean. I call you guys out because I don't see any relivance at all in whining. Its not in my makeup and I don't recieve it well. I only came to these forums looking for help and when I noticed that things were much worse than I thought. I decided to stop being a lazy ass and use what I do know to look into it. You see, I also don't believe I should have to but because I can I did. Why? because in my years of experience in gaming, whining was not an option people just wanted to play the game and if the ticket presents itself they were on that ship and cruisin'. Whether it was presented by users or ultimately the company in the form of a patch. Seriously, and if someone in that forum said take the non relivant stuff to the appropriate place, then it was done with or without apology. Who I am really isn't something you'd be interested in. Rest assured I do not work for Bethesda and I only listen to people whine to see if anything in thier paragraphs of drivel actually is something I can do something about. If not I just end up slow cooking over it. Its like verbal abuse or something, thus my response in kind, being abrasive to the lucky number that particularily earns it.

People can we please ignore Paladinrja?

He repeatedly is trying to hijack threads so as the moderators will eventually close them down due to offtopic material, namecalling etc etc.

DONT FALL FOR IT

The guy is WHINING about whiners. With 180 posts 2 weeks now. Think about it. Stop playing his game.


Now with that out of the way, we are still waiting for proper information/communication from Betehsda. If gstaff or whoever, made sure people got some kind of apology or concrete answers in 4-5 specific questions that have been posted numerous times each, then there wouldnt be so much whining and there wouldnt be complaints about being treated as 2nd rate customers.

Communication is a 2 way street. For a long time the community here is speaking to a wall. A wall that is supposedly listening, but has better things to do than actually reassure the guys who built it in the first place. Instead we get some ironic posting like something along these lines

"my goal is to update you as best I can"

If thats the best they can do then I am sorry, but their standards must be extremely low. Which to be honest is already proven, given the excellent quality control and assurance their recent product had.

i had no idea i was meant to fix the game myself .. thanks for the info

oh if im meant to fix the game myself then can someone from bethesda kindly tell me a way to fix it without upgradeing my PS3 hardware?

Advice taken valkyre.

But the guy has single-handedly 'http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1324122-what-seems-to-work-believe-it-or-not/' a console game without any access to its code. It's hilarious. He's like the forum mascot now.

I just turn the whole PS3 upside-down and submerge it in bacon grease...runs Skyrim perfectly now and it smells like breakfast!

I'm new here to this site but not new to besthesda games. I've played Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas and now skyrim and honestly I feel for alot of the PS3 users having problems with this game. I've so far played about 200 hours worth of this game, with a 12MB save file and I have noticed alot of slow downs and 1 game freeze which is ridiculously lucky compared to my New Vegas and Fallout 3 experiences that had multiple freezes or 17 for new vegas

I'm hoping with this game having a proper engine instead of relying only on the gamebyro engine(well it might be a reworked gamebryo not 100% sure since I remember todd saying they were using a brand new engine in comparison to oblivion and FO3 - as gamebryo is not even a engine but a renderer) that it would be better overall but it seems besthesda has had some difficulties making the skyrim game off the PS3 system whether it's lack of knowledge or lazy developing i don't know.

All I know is I'm fortunate my game hasn't killed itself or my PS3 yet so for me, skyrim has run insanely good to which I'm able to overlook the frames dropage here and there but my experience has not fully been killed.
I just hope besthesda can fix most of the issues in this upcoming patch and if possible still hire the third party to help them with the bugs.

The things I want besthesda to address on my game is the follower illia bug to be fixed, bodies being disposed like a dead alvor in riverwood which has been dead for over 2 in game months and still has not been disappeared nor his wife taking over his job.
Please tell me gstaff if you guys are looking into these minor issues for me cause i'd greately appreciate it.

I'm gonna FUS RO DAH Bethesda

Let's keep this thread alive so let's all try to be civil. To those people saying a game this intricate or big or whatever is expected to have bugs you don't grasp the situation completely. Yes, a couple bugs and glitches, okay, I get it...

HOWEVER, the stuff going on with this game is as someone said on another thread, "silly". It's actually more like ridiculous. There is some serious bugs with "CORE GAME MECHANICS". The game should NOT have been released in it's UNFINISHED form. Period.

I could sit here and name like 35 MAJOR problems, and Bethesda knows and has known about most of these problems (even on 11/11/11), but I will only mention the worst in my opinion, like most others have brought up well over FIVE THOUSAND times all over the internet:

The biggest problems that make this game "broke" are mostly in the many problems with memory allocation, and source code incompletion, where the user interface code bugs are ones you HAD to know about even if you only hired 3 PS3 game testers. Also, the problems with people not going into their dialogue or barter menus, the spawning or failure to spawn of many quest items, the graphical glitches, the new character first save slot being "unsafe" to use as it gets overwritten, and so many quests getting messed up is problems with basic "switch" coding not being open-ended completely (I mean leaving the feeling of it being open-ended by making multiple ways and times a "switch" can advance the quest coding but FINISHING EVERY ENDING TO THAT CODE.) All you have to do is actually play the quest differently and then when you see a problem go into the code and fix it.

Sometimes I think you guys mostly just set up these quests and never actually try them a few times. I know it's hard to do, but you should get it done, finished, completed. In other words, you don't release a BETA version of a game like this. It's wrong and most of you know that... I hope. It's hard to imagine the people behind the creation of this elaborate world are as they sometimes appear: evil or selfish or greedy or lazy or manipulative or dishonest or only about their profit. These words run through THOUSANDS of people's minds when they think of how this could keep happening with your games, you have the amazing chance to fix this, or at least fix the majority of all this grief that you get bombarded with every time you release a game in such an unfinished state.

My point is Bethesda, we are all upset because deep down we want to believe you will fix 90% of these problems. So, I know you hate Sony or PS3 for some reason (or Microsoft pays you to), that much is obvious, but please, work hard to complete a game for once. I mean come on. With some patching over the next 5 months, you could finally finish a game, especially for PS3. I for one have been fooled by your promises and lies 3 times now... The most intelligent of us can do the math, we know how much money has been made already, so why should you fix it? Right? No.

Bottom line is, myself, and many others I presume, will NOT be buying another game from you if you don't fix this one this time. You know you're getting away with a lot and this ride will eventually fall apart and the amusemant park will be forced to pay off the families who rode the ride. Anyways, I still hope, deep down, you guys know we aren't hating on you for no reason, or because we are PS3 owners... It's because this game is broken. Please fix it and keep us updated in threads such as this one. Thank you.

I'm just hoping the patch comes out this weekend. I want to play Skyrim!

Won't happen - it hasn't even been submitted to Sony yet.

Very good points Spunwicked!

It′s normal to see people upset with the game. They have reason to be angry (the ps3 comunnity) and we all know that. I myself am very upset with Bethesda and highly surprised by what they have done.

Also, I′m sick of reading people giving excuses. The game is not correctly done. Next time, Bethesda find competent workers.

I'm not exaggerating when I say I will never trust them again.

As long as Besthesda continues to make quality deep games I'll continue buying them but issues like this needs to be fixed.

Stop allowing yourself to get caught up into the fanboyism wars with siding with MS/Sony/PC and what not and do the intelligent thing and develop it right. If you're making a multiplatform game then start the game on PC but when doing the home console games start on the PS3 first because the issues are that you make the PC version port to 360 fine because it's like a PC and struggle with PS3, had you did the PS3 then 360 there wouldn't be an issue. Also hire some PS3 techies that know about the PS3 and how to develop it and fix it in the future. No matter what engine or lack thereof like in the past 4 games you released since skyrim there's always work arounds to get the game to perform how you'd like on the system. Naughty Dog is a perfect example of what Every developer should learn when it comes to coding + patching...hell I'll go as far and to say Activisions developers that makes call of duty games are more stable running at 60fps than 90% of the games released this gen. It's embarrassing this stuff is still going on and even worse when PC community are the ones making better progress on the games they play that they never made.

It can be successfully argued that both technical quality and depth have been on a stark decline since Todd Howard became exec producer. Each game made by Bethesda since Morrowind has had been less reliable than the last, had poorer performance than the last and has been smaller and simpler than the last. Bethesda need to look back in their history to discover quality and deep games and then make them again, not continue to make games of this level of depth and certainly never this level of quality.

This post is my entire thought process in a nutshell... Thank you.

It seems all we have to rely on now is each other, because Bethesda sure don't give a [censored]

Maybe you should just stop posting