You know what, I probably won't get answers then either, because they will be in this format:

- General stability improvements
- Improved occasional performance issues

AKA extremely vague, and simply not good enough in my book.

If Gstaff isnt an employee, I want to know if Bethesda cares enough to have someone take care of this mess? Do they have a customer relation team?

Bethesda is silent because they aren't fixing the problem. They can't and they don't know how.

Be prepared for an 'IMPROVED' line in the patch notes which breaks right back down again and then gets far worse once the first DLC is released.

Tbh, I prefer to not have a release date and the confirmation that lag issues will be addressed with the next patch then have a release date and then hear when it's released "sorry, we couldn't finish the lag fix in time for 1.4, we hope it makes it into the next patch."
It takes as long as it takes until it's fixed.

Ok, we get you think they won't answer us. Stop posting in this thread then, ok thanks we have registered your opinion.

And by that I mean an FAQ answered by a main player in the development team, revolving around the problems concerning Skyrim's release, or even better a live Q&A streamed on the site with users asking questions (delayed obviously to filter out enraged people). Just some kind of communication between the users and the developers.

Sorry Gstaff I know you're doing your job and the best you can, but I fear it's too late for that, and if the next patch doesn't fix things the forums will get a bit ugly. Communication between more known individuals and the masses relieves tension though. Heck, I'm sure if Howard himself came online and made some promises, more than half the people here would be content (because Howard has his illusion skills at 150 obviously, dude raised the level cap for himself)

This is what I am thinking.

If I was Betheda, I would at least give a timeline of when it will be fixed, to keep people from selling/returning their game.
So the fact that they aren't saying anything, and "claimed" to improve it on patch 1.2, worries me.

Here's the super secret first line from the 1.4 patch notes:

How can anyone give a timeline as to when it will be fixed, when no one knows if it will be "fixed".

You forgot your question mark. LOL

they need to hire a third party that knows to code for PS3... learn to code for PS3 gamesas or don't sell to that market, even if you do sell this type of a bugged game sell for a lower price, don't sell it as a on par product when its inferior.

Lol... Followed by melancholy spell of realization that it's true.

I feel we might as well be posting over in fo:3 or FONV forums.

Are spending much time over there gstaff?

Yup.

People need only go http://www.gamesas.com/forum/114-fallout-new-vegas-playstation-3-issues/ or http://www.gamesas.com/forum/38-fallout-3-playstation-3-issues/ to see what Bethesda considers a fixed and working state to leave their PS3 ports in.

They not only drop support and leave the games broken but they actually pull the least broken patches so users can't even revert to a slighty less broken state of play.

Right as I sit here and read this I give up.

Gstaff don't bother you with my questions anymore, not that you really were to begin with, I.am done here.

Bethesda, you have created my worst ever customer experience. I would be ashamed to call myself an employee of your company. Zero faith in your integrity.

I will never again purchase a product of yours.

+ not that it matters, but maybe to defray some haters. I have played since morrowind, on PC, but gave it up and only got back into gaming after I picked up oblivion for my kid's xbox. Well our xbox died and since I wanted the ps3 exclusives more than xbox we converted to ps3.

I bought oblivion goty for ps3 and was pretty happy. Then someone bought me FONV for ps3 - imagine my surprise! What a debacle I said to myself. Anyway the whole post nuclear genre didn't appeal so much an I just didn't care.

Skyrim is the first game I have ever pre-ordered. I struggle to recall a more disappointing purchase.

So there, I have gone from nearly rabid TES fan to a lost customer, post this on the water cooler gstaff and let some co-workers see where they are driving your company.

As choked as I am at Bethesda, I kind of think you guys are missing something here.

He posted, he said that dealing with the lag and memory issues was part of patch 1.4, which has a target release date of January. Why don't you just hold on and see if it actually fixes the problem or not. If it doesn't, I'll be right there with you hollering fire and brimstone.

^agreed. I really hope they will fix this, with the upcoming patch. If they're unable to, then they should really consider hiring a 3rd party game developer, who actually knows how to utilize the PS3 hardware.

I'm a developer myself, now what i want to know is, why do sony and microsoft have the final say about what parts of a patch get to stay in? I understand the need for compatibility checks and all, but from the outset of a patch, you'd think they'd have a target set for what they want to fix in the patch. So why haven't they made this known? I'm sick and tired of all this [censored], squabbling/bickering, finger pointing, etc. JUST FIX THE DAMN THING,
There are a few thing of which we all can assume:

• You have known about some of the problems since fallout3, due to the fact that it's inherent within the engine.
  
• Fixing the said issue/s will "require" a substantial update/junk code removal update just to get the engine up to speed.

the thing is bethesda, you've had since fallout 3 to work on these issues, maybe even since oblivion.
It maybe due to lazy coding, or a bad portr to 360 (still lazy), i'll leave this post with the following link:
http://www.anologhype.com/features/editorials-features/ps3-development-for-dummies-is-valve-being-lazy-or-are-they-biased/

Really? No I will repeat that really?

That is the best you can do? Answering once a week and most of the times with a vague response? That is as much as you know?

I mean for an important employee you sure must have some insiders informing you what the hell happened with the ps3 version and what they are doing to fix it.

More importantly, where are the answers the fans are waiting since the first week of release?

- why was the ps3 version not given to reviewers at the same time with the xbox version?

- why were we lied that the ps3 version is practically identical to the 360 version when it is apparent beyond any doubt that the ps3 version is much worse?

- how could you not identify the lag issues?? Or did you know them and yet released the game anyway??

- why is it we are being dealt as second rate customers? Why did it have to go public in certain media websites and weeks to pass, to even get an acknowledgement of our issues?

-why is bethesda coding for the ps3 console if they are -apparently- unable to provide us with the same quality standards as the 360? 3 games, 3 games were we are getting an inferior rushed product for the same price.

If you dont know any answers concerning the above questions you are certainly not good at your job and you certainly aint trying enough to keep us updated as you say...

If on the other hand you selectivly will choose to
ignore my post and peoples questions then you comfirm -yet again- that we are second rate customers to you and that you simply choose to ignore us.

I have been to other official forums and I can certainly tell you... the level of apathy from the staff here in this forum, is second to none... You deliberately choose to ignore your best fans and all you can come up with to cover this up is petty PR talks like not having something concrete yet or that you are investigating or or or. Other studios bring their fans over to help them identify the problems and always discuss issues with them. Maybe you should take a look, then you will realise that this is not you doing your best to keep us updated.

sincerely,
a huge fan (who feels like a second rate customer)

Aaaaamen valkyre. Just don't expect a reply.

Just to further compare and contrast:

When the aiming in Uncharted 3's single-player was off Naughty Dog brought in players from the community and had devs sitting there tweaking the code on-the-fly until it felt like Uncharted 2's single-player again.

I don't expect every developer to actually care that much and live-up to that very high standard but others could at least have enough pride in their work and integrity as human beings to maybe not crap-out years worth of abject apathy on game after game after game.

I am as unhappy about the performance as everyone else, but its impossible for Gstaff to answer every question you come up with, hes answered the most important.

Their aware of the ps3 performance and are trying to sort it

There should be a public apology in there, somewhere (not from Gstaff... guy's just a mouthpiece for Bethesda Softworks), and I'd very much appreciate communication from an actual programmer that has a clue about what they're talking about and what they hope to do or are trying to do to fix the issue. Also, it'd be nice if they actually addressed the problems with PS3 "performance" rather than vaguely referring to it as that. It's not really Gstaff's responsibility, but some secretive people I don't care much for are responsible for playing the "hush, hush" game and likely set strict boundaries for what other Bethesda Softworks or even Bethesda Game Studios staff members can actually say. It's not Gstaff's fault, but this is not how they should be going about this.

@centrafell

Unbelievable that you will justify 1 and half month full of apathy with vague responses like:

they know the problem and they are trying to fix it....

the questions are the SAME 4-5 ALWAYS from everyone. Its not like gstaff is bombarded by questions...

and excuse me but i dont think it is so
impossibly difficult for him to answer twice every week instead of once... if you get my point...

we have seen ither forum and how the staff communicates, here it is like a bad joke...

Yes it is actually - All these people that keep asking the same questions over and over all expect a personal response. Gstaff posts several times a week in various threads, it's not reasonable to expect him to spend all day every day sitting in this one forum just answering the same question over and over and over.

It's pretty stark to watch Polyphony Digital send me a digital Christmas card and freebies in one of the most well-supported games released this entire console gen while Bethesda can't even be bothered to look us in the eye while they give us the middle finger.

PD localized a friggin Christmas greeting but Bethesda can't even answer a simple yes or no question about a patch.

Developers who care vs. developers who don't.


They've never answered that question: Will 1.4 fix the severe framerate issues on PS3?

That's not a we're working on it or a 1.4 will include performance tweaks but a very simple yes or no which has never been directly, openly, and honestly addressed. One-word answer...not that damn hard.