I dont consider Hearthfire a true DLC. Its just a tiny, simple add-on.

Dawn Guard is a true DLC. So is DragonBorn.

So, point null.

I agree with this.


Possible a new deal was done.


Hearthfire had the 30 days exclusive.

So...?


Its still tiny. Its a commodity add-on not a DLC.

This argument again? They were both sold as "Add-ons", which, according to the press statement, 2 of which would be exclusive for 30 days.... subject to change.

Well, subject got changed then.

Hearthfire isn't a real DLC. Ya, Sold as a add-on but its really nothing.


And im not arguing anything. It is what it is.

I dont think it's an exclusive. Its suspicious that they didn't announce it for all platforms. But in the Dragonborn trailer it doesn't appear the Xbox logo at the end. In both Dawnguard and Heartfire appears the Xbox logo and the quote "for xbox 360". It doens't make sense that they erase that part from the Dragonborn trailer just to calm people.

I′ll hope you are right

what if they were released at the same time as PS3?

that means they will never release

DLC simply means a downloadable addon to the game, no matter the size. Many games have DLC that add like 3 items, that's it. You're thinking more 'Expansion' than DLC.

Anyone else remember what Bethesda did with Dawnguard's PC release?

They just casually said they relased it on Steam during some interview, no build-up, no forwarning, it was just like "yep its out on PC now".

I expect the same with dragonborn, just this entierly casual out-of-the-blue announcement.

exactly,they've respect for pc players, we have made them incredibly rich after all...

well, at least todd howard and pete hines

Top notch, flawless logic you've applied there!

While I do agree with your sarcasm, he does have a point.

The internal files for dawnguard and dragonborn are labeld DLC01, and DLC02, respectivly.

Hearthfire doesnt have a DLC0X before its files, so its obvious not even Bethesda counts it as a real DLC.

I initially said over a month ago, if you research enough you soon realise that it's wrong.

Regardless of internal names not meaning a toss, it was two Add-ons not two DLC.

But whatever. It's still pretty poor show. But you can't blame them for wanting to make as much money as possible. They are a business, not a charity.

I think Mardoxx speculated that it was because HF did not add any map markers, it would seem strange for DLC map markers to suddenly jump from DLC01 to DLC03. It makes sense to me

I probably meant quest headers, the map markers are linked by name (like Whiterun, Windhelm, etc..) quest headers are linked like None, Misc, CivilWar, DLC1, DLC2..etc

Yeah, that's it.

The game is ported from the PC in both cases actually. It's just far easier to port to the 360 from the PC. And vast majority of that is engine-level stuff anyway. In the case of plugins, the 360 and PC version are generally pretty much the same.

Personally, not expecting PC on Day-1, it's exclusive, if it ends up not being the case, well then I get to be pleasantly surprised. It's not like the change that happened when FONV DLC was no longer timed exclusive.


And technically the first DLC released for Skyrim was [and still is] PC Exclusive, "Skyrim High Resolution Texture Pack". Sure it was free, and only really consists of some buggy textures, but it was technically DLC.

Even patches are dlc if you want to argue it technically. I'm still searching for a true expansion. Something that is at least half the size of the original game.

Yes, however, patches aren't add-ons...

Didn't they do the same for Hearthfire too? I think part of that might have been to minimize the fact the DLC wasn't (and still isn't) available for PS3 yet. If they had made a bigger spectacle about it, it might have sparked more outrage from PS3 users.

I agree that Bethesda would be missing a money-making opportunity by not releasing it for PC before Christmas, but maybe they're using reverse logic and hoping people will want to spend the giftcards they got over the holidays on Dragonborn. Although, releasing a game so close to the Black Friday rush isn't a very smart idea to begin with. People will be cashed out and wanting to play the new games they bought on sale rather than spend more money on another DLC that will remain the same price for at least a few more months.



According to Pete Hines, they are. He's already tried to argue that adding on mounted combat in a patch counts as DLC/add-on content for PS3 users.

Random possibly ridiculous thoughts from a long time lurker. I think Bethesda may not know if this is their 2nd dlc or not and is playing it safe by only announcing for 360. I have visions of microsoft lawyers frantically emailing bethesda telling them that microsoft paid to hold dlc for 30 days from other platforms and the fact that technical issues has thus far prevented dlc for. ps3 means that microsoft paid for pretty much nothing. Hence the vagueness.

Good point, only thing I would add is the 30 day exclusive was really designed to screw over the PS3 and so far Beth. has provided microsoft with even more than they could have hoped for. What is it now like 6 months for the PS3 and no dawnguard?

You won't get something half the size of the game, so keep dreaming. What did people say Shivering Isles was? A fourth, land wise? Seems right to me.

considering all my money is already spent up to may on up coming gamses next year i have to agree