(not sure if there are "spoilers" in this, but be warned just in case)

[note: Xbox 360 platform]


...will they eventually be able to toggle like Vampire Lords?
If not, Hey Devs! Can we get one in a patch?


Reason:
The Vampire Lord feels like a portion of the game that we are encouraged to explore, utilize and have fun with. It becomes as much a part of the character as anything else.
The Werewolf has always felt to me like a mechanic we're encouraged to play with, but are ultimately denied utilizing and exploring to its fullest extent.

Explanation:
Now, I'm sure there are valid technical reasons why not, which I'm not able to see, and that's fine. Its not a game breaker for me, more just a annoyance.
Thing is I really enjoy running around as my Vampire Lord. I love the fact that I can shift at will to ravage through bandit camps to build up my Vamp Perks, or just wander the countryside in Lord Form slaying random beasts and bandits; then drop it to do my sneaky sneak through dungeons.
I have really enjoyed running around on my werewolf, having built up more than 100 mauls before Dawnguard; but even then the interesting mechanic of feeding on your kills to prolong the Form often devolved a fun time or interesting encounter into a tedious experience. Top that with the inability to just wander the wilderness, hunting, since it just becomes a mad dash to find my next kill that I "can" feed on.
Having to wait a full day to shift again also needs a remedy, imo.

Thanks for listening!
....now seriously, can we get that patched please?

The reasons for adding something to a game shouldn't be because the other side has it.

The mad dash to feed is part of the point.

I wouldn't mind a toggle to END the form, but popping in and out isn't really the idea, in my opinion.

Exactly how I feel. Rushing to feed again is alot of the fun in running around as a werewolf. Wish I could force change back to human form though.

One of the adrenaline rushes of being a werewolf is finding something to feed before your transformation is up. I did find it a bit annoying that had to wait an hour or two just to switch back to human but hey doesn't really bother me that much.

Good idea... don't think it'll be implemented though.

The whole concept of turning into a Werewolf in Skyrim is the user channels their inner bestial rage. Slaughtering your enemies and then feasting on them adds to the fury and bloodlust that accompanies being a predator. When the user ceases to kill and feed, their rage diminishes and is eventually spent, allowing the user to change back.

It's all just part of being a Werewolf. Giving a toggle deviates from this concept.

There is always Hircine's ring which allows you to transform into a werewolf as many times as you want in a day.

no it doesnt

my only wish is that they make nighteye toggleable (dont know if thats a word) for vamps and khajiits

Uh it is, you just hit the button again and it goes off. Ive been doing it with Khajiit since 1.3 and now with my vamp on 1.6 DG.

I wouldn't mind so long as the toggle is only usable outside of combat. I could always just hold myself to that rule I suppose, but I think werewolves would feel more like an all or nothing gamble if that once you gave into the beast blood you couldn't return to normal till after the combat ended. Vampire Lords and Werewolves should play differently.

And by togglable night vision, I think they mean a way to have it stay on indefinately until they choose to turn it off so they don't have to keep going into a menu to switch from a combat based power to nighteye, and then back again.

Once you get the Savage Feeding perk, you spend less time having to rush around finding a kill. And I would like it if werewolves could have a Night-Eye power or toggle like Vampires, and if they could sneak. Just get down on all four limbs and prowl about very stealthily. It'd add more dynamic than being a total berserker or having to rush archers and mages.

Eh, werewolf transformations need to be from 9:00 PM to 6:00 AM every full moon. Other than that, regular transformations should be in. Transform in and out, twice per day. Lycanthropy shouldn't be a controllable effect.

yes lycanthropy should be a controllable effect.

Only when using Hircine's ring or if your a werewolf from the "Circle". It was never controllable to begin with unless using the Ring. Why do you think Sinding wanted the ring so badly? This isn't Underworld. Honestly, werewolves should of been having lunar and forced transformations in the game, but to appeal to the younger casual audiences, they did not.

sinding didnt want the ring, he wanted to get rid of it and stop comparing werewolves in skyrim to underworld, it is pathetic. werewolves have every right as vampires to have it controllable.

You're wrong, Sinding wanted the ring to control his lycanthropy but since it was the cursed version it had the opposite effect. You need to know your quest lines before you start preaching about "werewolf rights" as if it's some sort of civil rights issue. you're the pathetic one.

Not really. That's part of the major curse of lycanthropy. You don't want to do these terrible things, but you literally change into a savage beast, with little to no control over your actions. The whole "werewolves having complete control over themselves" thing is a fairly new addition to their mythos. That's why every old time werewolf movie (and even up to the 80's) most werewolves reacted in horror as they began to change. It's a terribly painful experience, and you aren't going to have the same control over yourself you normally exhibit. It's much more of a Jekyll and Hyde thing, where your inner monster comes out and you lose yourself in it. Vampires on the other hand, have almost always been depicted as completely in control of themselves, thus allowing them to activate their powers at will.

On the subject of Sinding. He wanted the ring to control his transformations and bloodlust so much that he stole the ring from Hircine, causing it to become cursed, making it even harder for him to control. He gives it to you so that he can at least have a little more control over it than he had with it.

Wrong. Sinding wanted the ring to control his transformations, then Hircine threw a curse on it. I guess you are new to Skyrim and never played the other games to know the lore behind Hircine's Ring. Stop trying to insult me, because you're not making yourself look any better. No they do not have "every right". Just because it is easier for you doesn't mean it should be in the game.

Edit: Ninj'ad.

I just want werewolves to have a favorite menu like the VL with all their shouts/howl totems.

I maxed out my werewolf in two transformations. I got that perk where you could feed on almost everything and just went rampant across the countryside, killing every goat in sight. I stayed in my werewolf form an entire 2 days straight, and on my last day I had to wait about 12 hours before I un-transformed. So if they made an ability to toggle OUT of the form, that would be great, but toggling in an out whenever you want just seems... eh.

That is really awesome to hear I'm encouraged by your tale! So now I have something new and different to look forward too!

Thanks for sharing!
...seriously. You have no idea the wall of text I was composing to further outline my thoughts and stance. After reading this I really have no need to post it! lol. Looks as though Bethesda did find a creative way to solve my one real gripe with the wolves!

*punches Dev Team in the arm* I love these guys...



I partly agree with you 100% (=P hah.)

For me, it isn't a matter of "ooo they have a shiny so these guys need a shiny too!"
What it is a matter of is simple player enjoyment and preference.
"Should" they employ a fix? That's for them to decide. If they decide to go forward with the idea (hypothetically), then its for them to figure out. I'm merely offering a point of view and my opinion. Take it or leave it for whatever it is.

Hehe, no problem.

I would like the Werewolf mechanics to remain different personally as it gives the Werewolf a bit of flavour rather than just being a toggle mode like the Vampire Lord.

I think the only issue with the Werewolf right now (this is including Dawnguard) is the lack of armor rating. I would really like them to add 300 or so base armor rating.

I'm pretty sure Apex was talking about it only lasting for 180 seconds. He wants to be able to turn on night eye and have it stay on until he chooses to turn it off. I also think that's how it should be.