So they are not going to happen? Its obvious you play MMOs sorry I struck a sore spot there. Some of those are Multiplayer based and some of those had Multiplayer tacked on though.

Also Nintendo is well known for its complete disinterest in MMOs.

Lol, making assumptions. Played Final Fantasy XI, tried World of Warcraft, tried Ragnarok Online and played Dungeons & Dragons Online for a day.

Total MMO player.

I mean, I could go down a list of single-player RPGs that haven't become MMOs... it's a fairly long list though... but it might show that "trend" you're talking about.

I'd be moar excited if they had revealed FALLOUT 4, which sadly it is not.

Well your complete, going with the flow attitude made it seem like you really enjoyed mmos. I did jump to the wrong conclusion and I apologize.

However you don't think if this is a success it will affect the future of Single Player TES?

Also if none of those mmos did it for you why are you so objective about TES MMO? Is just based on the TES part?

I'm genuinely interested in your opinions here.

This. I can't wait for F04.

i played a few of MMOs and was heavily into them, the problem with mmos is they are becoming generic which is why i don't like what i see so far
that is why the only mmo i play now is eve online, its epic and unique.

I played in the past
Runescape, World of warcraft, silk road online, Voyage Century, Ace online, allods online

the problem is? Eve and ace online are the only ones that aren't 3rd person fantasy MMOS that are predictable in quests leveling and basically eveything
eve is unique and cruel so i love it
ace was fun because it was flight/real time combat.

TES is falling under WOW until i see otherwise

Isn't someone working or was working on a fallout mmo. I remember reading about that.

As far as I know interplay canceled it.

Yeah I remember reading about some disagreement with that a while back.

It can affect the future of the single player games, but we don't know how. However it is very, very absurd to say it will "kill" the single player games. Why? Neither Final Fantasy XI nor the total flop that was Final Fantasy XIV had any bearing on whether or not the continued single-player games were made. Hell, Final Fantasy survived through the sci-fi movie that tanked almost as hard as FFXIV. WoW didn't hurt Blizzard in the least, nor did Star Wars Galaxies hurt Lucas Arts or Sony Online Entertainment. All of those companies either still make single-player games or are still in business.

I stopped playing MMOs due to the time commitment that almost always needs to be put into them. They can be fun, and some of them were, but you have to devote a lot of time to them. I like multiplayer but just not how MMOs do it, in order to be "better" at the game in PvP you have to devote time away from actual PvP.

I'm objective about the TES MMO because it doesn't matter if I like it in the grand scheme of things. I am but one person. I am objective because if it works, if it's balanced and it's still fun to play then who the hell cares how they present it to us? If the MMO is fun, works and is balanced for the majority of the people who plays it then it doesn't matter that they made an MMO; because it's fun.

Except that money and time that go into developing fail MMO type games could be developed into something... less fail. I see what you mean, saying its going to Kill it is a bit over the top, but I think being worried about the state of the single player game industry isn't unrealistic. ESO won't be the straw that broke the camels back, but it is a straw.

Also I read you loud and clear on that time commitment for MMOs. I just couldn't keep up with guild members and I was always behind. I have to juggle a lot of stuff in real life and playing MMOs became more stress than it was fun.

Skyrim is quite challenging if you install certain mods which brings up an interesting point, vanilla oblivion and skyrim while damn good games are improved massively by custom mods.

PVP/PVE skills if you have the same skills in both pvp and pve then unbalancing will happen, a skill that keeps an npc out of combat basic crowd control can last 2 mins but that same skill in pvp well it is no fun spending 2 mins stuck in the air, the best pvp/pve mmo have completely seperate skill sets and gear for pvp and pve so changing one does not effect others.

Example SWTOR healers were pretty balanced in pve but in pvp overpowered, when they balanced the scorcerer for pvp (due to pvpers whining on the forums) pve play was affected and a lot more deaths occured due to the nerf.

However, if nothing is ever ventured, you may never make any gains. Could Zenimax given the budget they gave to ZMOnline to Bethesda to make TES: VI? Yeah sure, why not. But they could have also given it to the poor, could have bought a new building, tossed it in the river, etc.

It doesn't matter what they "could have" done with it, it matters what they do with it. And I very much disagree with single-player gaming being hurt. Why? We've had multiplayer games since... well, ever. And we've had MMOs since late 90s-early 00s. Yet look how many single player games continue to come out? WoW was massive when Mass Effect and Dragon Age came out... and yet those games are single-player, and it wasn't until Mass Effect 3 where they tried a smaller end version of multiplayer.

From the limited amount of info I read and saw it sounds like nothing was really ventured though. I'll read more and keep and eye on it, but it seriously sounds like basic MMO structure with TES paint.

We've had disc based and cartridge based games forever as well, but those times are a changing.

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Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think that maybe you are right. Maybe MMOs are not a threat to single player games there can be room for two. I guess time will tell, as MMOs have only just not been hitting their strides in the past 5 or so years.

Is the only reason this is being called the elder scrolls are becuase of the world otherwise there is NOT ONE THING that you think of in the series this MMO will have.

what the hell are they thinking.

This is a straigt up wow clone with 3 factions. is Three factions the big thing?

Things that should be in this game immediately.

Skill Based improvement, if you want classes fine but progression should be through skill improvement.

Real Time Combat

HUGE explorable world. Example SWTOR is not HUGE. its medium size world.

Player Housing.

In Depth Crafting and resource Gathering.

Daynight Cycles, Weather and Tons of stuff that add environmental immersion.

but nope there not having those things that people who enjoy the elder scrolls have known to love.

Never been so disappointed in a game release.

THis release is the king of the [censored] teases for game releases. What are you guys thinking making a straight up reskinned wow clone.

Its actually gw2 combat, not swtor/wow combat.

It doesn't include all those things? So, I imagine they gave you a copy of their design doc then, since you apparently know more than what even GameInformer said. Can I have a copy of it?

you mean like this

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/337278/20120504/elder-scrolls-online-game-details-mmorpg-announcement.htm

Are you secretly an agent of some rival company in disguise who, seeing what a terrible idea this is, is now promoting it in the guise of a fan?

Strangely, that does not look like a complete design doc. Imagine that.

Amen

But it does back up his claims. Weird.

Yes. It totally wipes the floor with ultima online.

Three things out of his five were never mentioned.

Yeah, totally backs his claim.

What about those who have always wished for an ES MMO but in a way that mirrors the gameplay set forth in the single-player games? What are we supposed to do? I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people coming from the Elder Scrolls fan-base are turned off by this approach, and a AAA MMO without a built-in fan-base of the source material is DOA.