Have you seen video game journalist... that seems to me nothing more than them trying to relate the story to other TES games. I think this is one where you need to wait for the game to see how the story actually plays out. Not saying your wrong, but this is gasping at straws.

Plus just because your a hero, doesn't make you known... I consider all military, police, firefighters ect to be hero's but I don't know them...

The thing is, the Dunmer see beast races as inferior, and they are VERY VERY haughty and proud AND they have 3 living Gods in the timeline. Why would they ally themselves with a race they see as slaves and inferior?

Not to seem offensive, but that would be like if the Nazi's tried to recruit Jewish people into the army when they started losing the war.

More importantly, that would be like the Jews said "sure why not" and an alliance was -ACTUALLY- formed.

The problem is... I WANT to like the game. I would love an Elderscrolls MMO. But I realy realy hate the direction it is going and I think it's going to flop; thus meaning there is a good chance I will never see the kind of TES MMO I want to see.

I'm allowed to be upset and dissapointed. I do have free will after all.

Uh, the character you play as supposedly goes back in time and changes the past.

how is that not something that would make you known throughout Tamriel? I'm sure the mages from that camp would have told someone of your character's exploits (or someone else who has witnessed the other countless deeds you will have performed in ESO).

Perhaps something happens that forces there hand, and they have to agree to alliance. The truth is, until we know the story we won't know if this makes sense at all.

Please keep in mind that my reply was aimed at the whole thread.

I just hope they don't ruin great characters like Mannimarco and the Tribunal. I don't like the idea of someone other than Bethesda Game Studios writing the lore.

A pact between the Dunmer, Nords, and Argonians is a bad start. As stated by others, the Tribunal can pretty much mop the floor with anything any of the other alliances can throw at them. Sotha Sil and Almalexia alone took out Mehrunes Dagon when he invaded Tamriel earlier.

So we're going to have the Tharns (Jagar or others?), Mannimarco, Malog Bal, the Tribunal, etc all going on at once? It's really going to seem like a bizarre thing to throw into the lore after it hasn't been mentioned thus far. That's why they keep pushing ahead in time with the single player games, so they write new lore, not rewrite the old lore.

And it's also a concern for everyone, tbh. TES, Fallout, etc; ALL the series' under Bethesda. We all have reason to worry if we think Bethesda and/or it's parent company are making poor decisions, thus we have a reason to voice our opinions about the decisions, even if we DON'T wanna buy this game: because we DO wanna buy TES 6 or Fallout 4 or whatever else, and if Bethesda is going in a bad direction or filing for bankruptcy because of total flop titles, then yeah, that's a problem for every series Bethesda owns.

Duly Noted. Sorry if I seemed a little direct.

Oh yeah, this game is definitely going to flop. I don't think anyone is contesting that.

My concern is to the lore, which I hope they don't completely dismember.

Really, were did it say that... I must have missed it. I don't see them having it where your character goes back in time, seeing as there are going to be so many characters going back in time?

I'm thinking outside the box, but maybe if that is true... it creates an alternate timeline were it changes the history of the lore. Letting the MMO developers having more say over were the lore goes without messing up the main timeline of the Single Player TES games.

I'd say that summed it up. Honestly, I could care less what they do with TES. But to throw Fallout into an MMO would destroy to much via monopolizing it to the modern market.

I think it's like on the third or fourth page.

But, yeah, I guess that's a possibility.

It would actualy make more sense for the Dunmer to take an isolationist stance. Who cares what happens to everyone else? The Dunmer have the Tribunal and Morrowind is secure, they never realy got along with the other elves, they don't care for men and they see beast races as dumb animals. Why would they get involved at all?

I think an alternate timeline would be the way to go myself, then lore purist won't be complaining when something in the lore doesn't match up...

Agree. I would have preferred to see Zenimax take an actual pre-existing event in TES lore (Galerion/Mannimarco and the creation of the Mages Guild or Pelinal Whitestrake/Umaril The Unfeathered), although I suppose having established endings would ruin the whole thing. Perhaps an MMO based on the pending Empire/Thalmor war hinted at in Skyrim? Too late now though.

My biggest concerns are the lore and setting. Well that, and I hope it isn't the same tired MMO formula. The world doesn't need another mediocre WoW clone. Not every setting needs an MMO.

EDIT!: Also, I hope the iconic characters don't just become loot pinatas. Please don't ruin TES like Blizzard has ruined Warcraft.

What the hell?! I don't want to work with a bunch of smelly Nords! Not a big fan of working with Dunmer either.

Isn't it obvious? The only reason the Dunmer would cooperate is if one of their gods told them to. Now... why would they do that, well thats really just up to the writers, but anyone with an imagination and some TES Lore knowledge could come up with something half-way plausible. The bigger problem is how do you get the other two to cooperate with the Dunmer, but its not that implausible that they would have their reasons.

Its a strenuous alliance, no doubt, but not an improbable one.

BTW, your Nazi/Jew anology doesn't work. The Jews weren't a separate power at the time, capable of existing in opposition to the Nazis. This is much closer to Russia's relationship to the Nazis and even the US later. They didn't like each other, none of them did, but at different points they were allies.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but the Gameinformer article says they are using WOW gameplay.

There is LOTS to say on the lore inaccuracies already with what little has been revealed.

Ugh. That does it for me, I guess. I wish them the best of luck in this endeavor, but this does nothing for me. I can already see the Vivec raid for purples.

Please, what do you consider WoW gameplay?

They said themselves in the article that they are using wow gameplay.

How I percieve WOW Gameplay:
Third person indirect combat, limited skill bar hotkeys that use 'magical moves' (ie: abilites or spells that activate when you press hotkey), xp based leveling.. basicaly the same as most generic MMO's.

How I percieve TES gameplay:
First person direct control combat (with optional 3rd person), as many abilities/spells ect as your character has in spell book able to use at any time, Skill based leveling, no 'magical moves' rather all the characters abilities are defined by skills (and skill related perk in Skyrim)

Have you seen the sheer number of burned and ruined books littering dungeons in Skyrim? The stories of all those second era heroes were recored in these books.