I sense a major lore violation in this game.. : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:03 am

I mean an alliance between the Dunmer, Argoninans, and Nords? What the Hell? The Argonians don't have tails? That's like Burger king without whoppers.. Does the company who's making this has any "real" knowledge of the lore?

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:37 pm

The question is: when do MMORPGs not mess up lore?

With that said, I'm still interested.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:41 pm

I also wonder how they are going to rationalize how there were this many notable heroes running around during the Second Era and yet, miraculously, we've somehow never heard of any of them.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:03 am

You'll find Argonians without tails is the least of your lore-breaking worries in TESO.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:30 pm

I mean an alliance between the Dunmer, Argoninans, and Nords? What the Hell? The Argonians don't have tails? That's like Burger king without whoppers.. Does the company who's making this has any "real" knowledge of the lore?

wait where was it confirmed argonians have no tails?

And also yes those three races may hate each-other but keep in mind the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:25 am

Only one? Lol, I am sure there will be a lot, but every TES game has them.

In any case, even if they totally obliterate the lore for this game, I am more interested in the PvP. As long as we continue to get our single player versions of TES.

I mean an alliance between the Dunmer, Argoninans, and Nords? What the Hell? The Argonians don't have tails? That's like Burger king without whoppers.. Does the company who's making this has any "real" knowledge of the lore?

Burger King without whoppers is like saying Dark Elves, Nords, and Argonians love each other. Them hating each other but still be able to fight a common cause is not only possible but happens in Skyrim. The Nords, reluctantly, take the Dunmer refugees in. Have they stopped hating them? NO! But hey... [censored] happens.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:03 pm

The question is: when do MMORPGs not mess up lore?

With that said, I'm still interested.

I am still interested as well, but I was still kindof shocked at how the lore makes no sense in this game. Maybe it'll be explained. I mean Morrowind would never ally with countries that they deemed inferior especially if the Tribunal is at it's height.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:12 am

I also wonder how they are going to rationalize how there were this many notable heroes running around during the Second Era and yet, miraculously, we've somehow never heard of any of them.

True but the Dunmer would not need allies if they have the Tribinal at their side.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:08 pm

I mean an alliance between the Dunmer, Argoninans, and Nords? What the Hell? The Argonians don't have tails? That's like Burger king without whoppers.. Does the company who's making this has any "real" knowledge of the lore?

http://uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Argonian#Argonian

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 pm

True but the Dunmer would not need allies if they have the Tribinal at their side.

That is an assumption, besides we don't know what the Tribunal's game in this is. its entirely possible that they gain something significant from this alliance.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 am

That is an assumption, besides we don't know what the Tribunal's game in this is. its entirely possible that they gain something significant from this alliance.

True but what could they possibly gain from this? I mean they have a powerfull military and country compare to most of Tamriel. If they can hold back the Reman empire for 80 years and have the heart of Lokhan to their use then what else do they need?

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:29 am

http://uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Argonian#Argonian

It's always been the hair that surprised me more than the lack of tails.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:23 am

And also yes those three races may hate each-other but keep in mind the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Are you people even listening to yourselves?

What part of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" implies alliances between enemies? With that quote, you could equally argue that it makes sense for the Nords to team up with Molag Bal or who the hell ever and work against the Dunmer, BECAUSE THE DUNMER ARE THEIR ENEMIES.

If you're gonna quote something, at least use it in the proper context.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:24 pm

http://uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Argonian#Argonian

WAIT, was I right about this. I said it may be due to evolution... it was 1000 years in the past. Maybe the evolved to have tails. :blink:

I mean an alliance between the Dunmer, Argoninans, and Nords? What the Hell? The Argonians don't have tails? That's like Burger king without whoppers.. Does the company who's making this has any "real" knowledge of the lore?

IF you about to be wiped out, you'll create an alliance with your most hated enemy if it serves to create a greater good. It doesn't mean they like each other.

I also wonder how they are going to rationalize how there were this many notable heroes running around during the Second Era and yet, miraculously, we've somehow never heard of any of them.

I would say it more akin to a war, sometimes people stand out... but a vast majority of people you will never know there name. Just because in the Single Player TES games your a hero, doesn't mean you be a hero in the MMO, rather a character that existed in the world.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:45 am

I always thought they were supposed to, but they just weren't in the plan back then.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:46 am

I would say it more akin to a war, sometimes people stand out... but a vast majority of people you will never know there name. Just because in the Single Player TES games your a hero, doesn't mean you be a hero in the MMO, rather a character that existed in the world.

that would be viable if not for:

"This time, saving the world from the awakening of ancient evil is only the beginning. What happens when hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes all think that they should be Emperor?"

it makes no sense. We surely would have heard something of this magnitude by now.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:58 am

True but what could they possibly gain from this? I mean they have a powerfull military and country compare to most of Tamriel. If they can hold back the Reman empire for 80 years and have the heart of Lokhan to their use then what else do they need?

Well it probably wouldn't be very interesting if we could just guess off the top of our heads, but perhaps its something much larger. Maybe they're just setting up Tamriel for something later. In any case, I expect their power is somewhat overstated or that this new thread is that much more powerful. If the game does take place at 2E 431 as I suspect, then a hundred years later Akavir attacks Morrowind. Perhaps it was a to set themselves up for this fight.

To be honest, its just up to a good writer as to why this is possible. My point simply is that the possibility exists.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:19 pm

that would be viable if not for:

"This time, saving the world from the awakening of ancient evil is only the beginning. What happens when hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes all think that they should be Emperor?"

it makes no sense. We surely would have heard something of this magnitude by now.

I'll admit that its certainly hard to pull off. But there's huge events in Tamrielic history that have lots of its information lost to time, like the War of Righteousness.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:43 am

that would be viable if not for:

"This time, saving the world from the awakening of ancient evil is only the beginning. What happens when hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes all think that they should be Emperor?"

it makes no sense. We surely would have heard something of this magnitude by now.

You're asking to much of the developers to predict this far in advanced. Ideally, yes every game and event should have been planned and written for with each game, and thus avoiding any retcons or anomalous additions. But, that simply isn't possible, and at some point we have to realize this is just a game.

Is there possibly a lore explanation for why these events are lost to time? Absolutely, just give me some time and I can craft you something plausible. Does it really matter why? No.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:38 am

that would be viable if not for:

"This time, saving the world from the awakening of ancient evil is only the beginning. What happens when hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes all think that they should be Emperor?"

it makes no sense. We surely would have heard something of this magnitude by now.

Hmmm where is that from? And is it a quote from Zenimax Online or some journalist covering the story? If it was a journalist perhaps they were just making it seem like other TES games...

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:26 am

Hmmm where is that from? And is it a quote from Zenimax Online or some journalist covering the story? If it was a journalist perhaps they were just making it seem like other TES games...

Its from the first page of the Game Informer article. So yea its from a journalist.

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:57 pm

IF you about to be wiped out, you'll create an alliance with your most hated enemy if it serves to create a greater good. It doesn't mean they like each other.

Except that it would make more sense for the Nords to ally themselves with the Bretons (being human related and all)

The Dunmer have the Tribunal at the height of their power, and so have no need for allies as they have 3 living GODS on their side.

The Dunmer also use beast races as slaves... why would the argonians ally themselves with an opressor?

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:33 am

Its from the first page of the Game Informer article. So yea its from a journalist.

Uh, the part about "hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes" is definitely not conjecture. They wouldn't include that unless they had been told something to that effect by Zenimax.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:19 pm

Except that it would make more sense for the Nords to ally themselves with the Bretons (being human related and all)

The Dunmer have the Tribunal at the height of their power, and so have no need for allies as they have 3 living GODS on their side.

The Dunmer also use beast races as slaves... why would the argonians ally themselves with an opressor?

You just said it because they are the oppressor. Would you rather be facing just the Daedra, or fighting the Daedra and the oppressor that will consume even more of your resources. A temporary alliance would benefit them all from the real threat which is the Daedra.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:31 am

For the love of God... If you don't like it don't play the frikkin game!