I doubt we can actually work out her age, but we can work out when she was locked away, more or less. Judging from mom's hairstyle, I'd say sometime around the assyrian empire, lol....I'm sure her hairdo features on walls in babylon.

Ha, Valerica's doo is all kinds of [censored] up.

Either late Merethic (Seeing as she's heard of Ysgramor, also required if she's a Nede) to 1E 221 (Gotta give some leeyway for her to be locked up too). I haven't heard all her dialogue, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some inconsistencies.

Obviously some of the souls in the Soul Cairn were compotent hairdressers for Valerica's hair to last that long.

Yeah, and just think, some people are selfish enough to have her cure herself. This is a being that has seen the dawn and dusk of multiple millenia. Just imagine what she's seen and experienced, the ancient knowledge contained within her mind. A being as old as your oldest ancestors. If you travel around with her, you get a glimpse at just how old she really is, based on her comments. Even if she was in slumber for a few millenia, she still possesses first hand knowledge of an age past, an age which little is known about. Yet some people feel the need to bring about her mortality (and therefore demise) because of their own selfish wants and emotions.
It's a damn shame Arch Curate Vyrthur had to die as well, considering not only his age, but his race.

And quite ridiculously she goes on about loneliness and such in the tone of an emo teen. I guess there are no writers at Beth who could get their head around everything that you've just mentioned. /sigh.

..but taking in the enormity of just how old she may be, is it any wonder that she feels all alone? I would have to imagine that after a certain length of time the weight of it all is just crushing, living while you watch everything you know and love pass away to dust. Even the relationship with her parents has faded. Now she just...exists, not to mention this is a completely alien world to her now.

I just can't help but feel sorry for her. *sniffle* I should stop before I start to cry.

It is because they live in a belief that vampirism is evil and she would be much better without it. So it would be almost as if she became a vampire for nothing. A cured Serana is a diseased Serana.

That's how I roleplay my Nerevaraine in Skyrim, plus the burden of indirectly causing the Oblivion Crisis and the Red Year, even though stopping Dagoth Ur had to be done.

Imo I believe she is nede, or one of the very first nords. Her mother Valerica most likely locked her up once Harkon found the prophecy. Also I don't see why someone would want to cure Serana since being a vampire makes her unique from other NPC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one does not "catch" humanity, but one does "catch" vampirism. So a cured Serana is a diseased Serana...how? She's already diseased. I dont cure her for the sole reason of the fact that the only thing that changes is her eye color. And people always say that evil is a point of view. Well, from a point of view, vampires are evil. If I said the same thing about Adolf Hitler, that he's not evil, because evil is merely a point of view, heads would roll.

I doubt that she regards it as a 'disease', seeing as she willingly subscribed. Also, vampires are not always evil in TES (the majority sure, but you have a few good ones), just look at Hassildor who rules successfully for decades without giving in to his deeper urges (he obviously still fed though, probably from willing members of the court). Both the Dawnguard and the Vigilant are bigoted idiots who thankfully will have killed many evil ones before they find and murder the good ones (Isran would probably kill Serana given the chance, they only don't because they think it would 'annoy' you).

Only completely irrational people would disagree if you said Hitler was only evil from our perspective (I think he is before any accusations fly), from the perspective of those in his party; they were doing the right thing.

Serana didn't "catch" vampirism, she asked for it. Payed for it. Wanted it. It was her conscious choice. It changed her whole life, but it's not our place to decide if it was for better or worse. She's clearly not evil, certainly no more than the Dragonborn who murdered countless people on his way to greatness. She's a vampire, yes, but it doesn't mean she can't control her urges just like abovementioned Janus Hassildor.

And please, let's not bring Hitler into this. It never ends well.

Considering the age of Serena and her mother, I would imagine Urag gro-Shub, the librian in the College of Winterhold, would dearly love some interviews with these vampires, or just notes of their thoughts on what actually happened "as they saw it".

A cured Serana is a diseased Serana because she is weaker, she is supceptible to diseases, dragged down by the weakness of the body. Frail and weak compared to the powers granted by being a vampire such as enhanced senses, immortality by unaging, alterior form, etc. I didn't cure her because she doesn't deserve to become food like the other flesh bags of the world. She's already a vampire, why reduce her prey? Why take her away from her vampiric culture and society which she grew up in? Yeah, it was horrible, but after Harkon's demise and the return of her mother, things will surely change.

If you believe vampires are evil, then that is fine. Because from my point of view, they aren't. I won't comment about Hitler because I will not derail the subject .

Janus Hassildor indeed fed on people, since he embraced the changes within him. But since Clavicus Vile supressed the thirst of his bloodline, then he doesn't require an ocean of blood as other vampires do. They are more civilized in that regard, and even the Pale Lady in his castle was tasked to harvest blood for Rona Hassildor based on her dialogue.

The Vigilantes are hypocrites, Isran is a fanatical extremist and they're all food, so I suppose they deserve to die. Tamriel isn't called the Arena for nothing, right? I agree with everything you said, most of it, anyway.

I have no doubt that her situation could cause all kinds of emotional and psychological conflict, including loneliness. But the way she expresses her thoughts and feelings - including the voice acting - are underdeveloped and come across as too young for her character in my opinion. It may have been a conscious decision on the part of Beth, though, since she is more relatable to the playerbase as she is.

You can still want a disease and catch it on purpose. She may not see it as one, but it is what it is. And Serana isnt made prey. She is still a powerful mage, and can easily defend herself. Her and I are vampire hunters. Neither side is prey, they are both predators powerful in their own right. Like Aliens vs predator. As far as the evil thing goes, thats fine. No one can say that someone is evil or not. Thats incorrect. What we can do is say from our point of view they are or are not evil, and explain why. Neither side is wrong. And I should say from the point of view of others, the majority of vampires are evil, especially if you consider the fact that we only see two "good" vampires, Serana, and Janus Hassildor. But anyway, this is off topic, so I'll let things get back to the matter of her age or date of her burial.

Vamprisim isn't something like Rockjoint or the Rattles which you get from being bitten by a rat or skeever.

It's a curse moreso than a disease (technically an STC judging by how she got it). A curse being a curse or a blessing depends entirely on the perspective of the person with the change. Corprus is a similar thing, often mistaken for a disease, when in reality it's more like infusing the body with the divine (in Corprus the HoL, in Vampirism it will relate to Molag Bal). Dagoth Ur and his Sleepers and Dreamers will regard Corprus as a blessing bestowed upon them, those who are in the early stages of Corprus who still retain their individuality will regard it as a curse or in basic terms as a disease. Some Vampires will regard it as a blessing, others a curse that needs to be cured (by various means). Lycanthropy (Werewolves) will also follow this pattern (in relation to Hircine).

Lol, a cure disease potion would seem to disagree with you. Its fine to view it in whatever way you wish, but it is a disease. Whether or not people view this disease as a gift, curse, or whatever is beyond the point.

Looking at things from Serana's perspective, she 'willingly' became a high level vamp, and she's a young woman in a royal family...she is used to getting things her way, although she is young (which begs the question, do vampires age as we know it? Or do they stay the 'age' they are when they get turned?).

She's been locked away for thousands of years, sleeping, and expects some stranger to find her and release her from her sleep. When she steps back out into the real world, she knows her family, whoever is left at Volkihar castle, and you, her releaser. She knows why she was locked away, she disapproves of her father, and has a bit of a rocky relationship with her mother.

There isn't a lot more for her in life, and she more or less has to find her own way...how does a vampire princess do that when she knows diddly squat about the world she's in, and what she does know is millenia out of date?

I certainly thought that she'd be largely accepted at the Bard's College, or possibly the Mage's College. Perhaps even the Companions, as she remembers back to Ysgrammor's time. My money was on the Bard's College though, living history would have them banging drums and luting like crazy.

In regards to her morality, I think she is fairly neutral...within limits. She's still a bloodsvcker, but that is relative to her perspective...for instance, in cultures where ritual cannibalism is the norm, adding the ashes of the recently deceased to a memorial meal, or pre-battle ritual is accepted as the norm; However, it is significantly different to gobbling leg of captive because you are starving. In Serana's case blood feasting is both a necessity and ritualised as part of her being and culture...she doesn't do it because she is evil, she does it because she needs to. That won't sit well with many people in her world, just as cannibalism doesn't sit well with many people in our world.

Lol, yes, a Cure Disease potion would disagree with YOU! ...since fully blown Vampirism can't be cured with a common potion.

It's a Gift from the Goths', one that shouldn't be squandered on Milk Drinkers like you! HAH!

Beaten to it.

I was talking about direct infection/transformation, in the way that Serana changes you (or in the way she was changed by Molag Bal), the way that the Nerevaraine was infected by Dagoth Gares or the way one is transformed by drinking a Lycan's blood. The condition itself is not a disease, you can regard the incubation period of any as a disease if you wish to though.

Lol, fair enough, but just because it isn't curable once it has worked its course doesnt mean it isnt a disease. Ah, jeez, I'm still getting off topic, but I dont think we can pinpoint her age or burial date anymore then we already have, so oh well.

I hear what you're saying, but even the lore of the game refers to both as diseases. Here's the definition.
1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful. (While not harmful per say to the infected individual, it does make them "dead", and is harmful to those the vampire feeds upon. And I think we all can agree it's abnormal, to say the least.)

I'd say vampirism checks on both of these.

I'll give you that it does fit the second one, though the body being dead is quite often irrelevant in TES. However, a curse would also fit both definitions if we did not know otherwise that it was a curse.

True, so maybe its both. It does come from a Daedra Lord, so a curse/disease wouldn't be a stretch considering we're talking about TES.