It's because it's an elder scrolls game you should be able to play any way you like. If you want to go only destruction, then you should be allowed to do it. If you never want to level combat at all and just want to level pickpocketing then you should be able to do that.

It's rare in games, especially big ones like skyrim to have warriors do more damage than mages AND tank a lot more damage. Many players who want to focus on pure destruction are forced to either restart or use other methods which is still not as effective as just building a pure tank and facerolling everything.

No. Thats exactly the point. The SKILL IMPROVES NOTHING. I can prove it:

Spark does 16 dps at 10 destruction skill.
Spark does 16 dps at 100 destruction skill.

You level up the skill, and nothing changes. The amount of mana consumed is negligibly better (by an insignificant amount) as the skill gets higher, but the spell damage stays exactly the same. You can test this with the following commands:

player.setav destruction 10
and
player.setav destruction 100

These will change your destruction skill to 10 and 100 respectively. Notice how the damage you do is absolutely no different. You will also notice that the only difference in mana consumption between a skill level 10 and a skill level 100 is a couple seconds worth to deplete your entire mana bar..

The ONLY reason to upgrade your destruction skill AT ALL is to unlock bigger perks, and better spell books. The problem is, the better spell books and perks only go so far. Once you get to about the level 40 range and have many of the more powerful perks and spellbooks, you will never improve your destruction power again, but the enemies will keep getting stronger.

Yes, you can substitute the gimped destruction with other magic schools and weapons, but it doesn't change the fact that destruction is still gimped. All of that time, energy and perk points wasted for a skill you can't use anymore. This is a problem because all of the other skills, in some way, scale up appropriately so you pretty much have no choice but to fall back on them.

You guys need to understand the distinction. Magic is NOT gimped. Destruction IS gimped. We're not asking for an epic change in the way the game presents magic. We're just asking for a multiplier to be added and that damage be taken into consideration when increasing magic skills. I don't understand why there is so much opposition to this. It's a quick and easy fix.

And yes, it will be modded. But as I've stated before, that doesn't help all of the console players who are put off by this.

Can i tell u what i've done? I started as a two-handed heavy armor. After the first problems about the lack of a shield i leave the two handed and i started to use one handed and shield. But after that i start to use or only magic (destruction mostly) or one hand magic(flame for example) and one hand sword. I play on medium and i don't see that difficult.

I don't see where the problem stems from. At the same level, I have more ease in any combat situation with my mage than my warrior.

Maybe everybody else just svcks at mages and I svck at warriors?

I don't like using conjuration and I shouldn't have to. That's like saying that "most warriors who use two handed weapons and single handed weapons do fine." They're completely different schools of magic that shouldn't have to go hand-in-hand to use. Destruction has always been a combat specific magic. Now it's worthless.
It's not "only destruction." It's Destruction in combat. Destruction mages use destruction in combat and now it's useless because it doesn't scale to your skill level and the spells are highly limited in their abilities. There was no warning at the beginning of the game that said "By the way: You can NOT beat this game if you are purely a mage due to the fact that destruction will not kill higher level enemies and even if you put the effort into all your magics, you will have wasted your points for not playing the way this game was built for."

And i got the point. But FOR NOW i'm a destruction mage and i don't see difficult at medium.

Level 43 test character with destruction maxed out, most of the enchanting tree (ignored the ones regarding soul steal and all that [censored]), and some points into alchemy. With the Archmages robes, circlet, gloves, ring, necklace, and boots enchanted with +62% magicka regen, extra magicka, +25% cheaper destruction spells, and destruction potions which increase output by 60%, I can definitely tell you that you will not be hitting like a 'wet noodle.' Just because you're 40+ doesn't mean [censored] automatically becomes easier. If you haven't already, start investing into [censored] potions and max out your capability as a destruction mage. When enemies go down from 2-3 uncomboed lightning hits, you'll be surprised.

I think its been confirmed that if you keep getting killed while being a pure mage .... you just svck at it.

I have no problem smiting my enemies, other people seem to be enjoying it as well. I have been whooping ass and its on Expert so don't blame the game cause you haven't figured it out yet.

Also you shouldn't blame the developers or the game testers cause maybe they were just better at it than you. Or maybe they just like it better this way, that's one of the perks of being talented enough to help create a game like this.

On top of that 10 hours is not a very long time to learn the system to a game and figure out how to be a bad ass.

It just seems the recurring complaint is always WHY DONT THEY DIE FASTER!

Many people are currently playing characters that only use 1 skill as their main damage source but with other skills thrown in as support/defense.

1h/bow/2h/conjuration. Destro does considerably less damage than all of these.

at higher levels, like in the 20s-40s you'll start seeing the difference. Warriors only get stronger while mages barely get stronger

Magic regen bonuses only apply to out of combat regen. Another area we get shafted in. Spells don't scale, they do the same fixed damage all game. The higher you level the less effective spells get because of this barring some schools of magic, conjuration being the only good one at all levels.

New Mission: Beat the game only using Alchemy. No armor, no weapon, you're going to poison your fist and hope it gets in a open wound. Let me know how it goes.

The fact of the matter is Bethesda didn't do their math (or at least didn't do it very well) and they need to fix it. Not that this game pushes you to become a warrior either way.

What about the higher leveled spells?

OP was complaining about destruction and not just being a pure mage. I highly doubt anyone can beat the game as a pure destruction mage with no other source of damage. Any warrior can beat the game with one speciality either one hand or two hand weapons, which branch out.

The main problem is balance.

Its slow going at the start, but honestly, I couldn't disagree more.

I just angered an ENTIRE TOWN OF ORCS, and killed them all within seconds with my destruction magic. What level are you? I'm level 20.

I threw on Frost Cloak (8 points of frost damage and stamina damage per SECOND), then in my other hand I throw down Wall of Flames (50 damage per second) and spin in a circle.

Everything died in about 4 seconds, I took zero hits, and finished the fight with a full magicka and health bar.

Destruction is awesome.

OK, so there are a whole raft of threads here slating Two-Handed, but I just thought that I would add to the choir. It beggars belief how they could spend three years on this game, play-test the living bejesus out of it, and no-one turned around and said, "hey, anyone else think that Two-Handed is absolute crap?" Relying on Two-Handed on the normal difficulty level leads to death after death as you fall ignominiously to simple bandit hordes, and strafe endlessly in circles hoping that your foes don't manage to hit you before your stamina can refill. I'm honestly perplexed as to how this could have happened. What were they thinking? I have been fantasising about playing as a pure Nord Barbarian for the past year, and it's just unbelievable how nerfed the whole Two-Handed damage has become. I'm ten hours in and seriously considering starting over as a Bosmer thief or something. I know that I can use other armor and block, and I have, but why I can't hack and slash my foes and have it be as effective as hitting them with magic or arrows is just unfathomable. As it stands playing as a fighter is needlessly fiddly and mindnumbingly tedious.

Some people are saying mages who don't use other specializations of magic besides destruction is like a warrior without weapon or armor. That is complete [censored]. Mages need decent robes for mana reneration as much as warriors need armor and the main source of direct damage for mages is destruction which is equivalent to a warrior's weapon.

I do quite well with Destruction.

What about them? They still don't do any damage. Fire Storm: A master level destruction spell that does 100 pts of damage. Now tell me what that's going to do to an enemy with over a thousand health if it costs nearly your entire magicka bar to cast?

Try doing that at dragons reach taking out all the guards without any potions.

I can't agree more

So you prove it by using an apprentice level spell at Master level in the skill?

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

So basically you're nit-picking one attribute with a game all about combinations? Really?


Let's think of it like this. You are focusing solely on Destruction magic. That's leaving out Conjuration, Restoration, whatever. Therefore, if we focus solely on another attribute, we could get similar results. If you went into a battle with no armor, no blocking, just a one-handed sword, then you probably wouldn't get too far. The game is about combining specific attributes to make your game-play unique and literally up to the player. That's why you can pick what kind of character you are: substitute attributes for mage, warrior, and thief and all examples will work. The blocking, sword wielding, heavy armored warrior can be substituted to the sneaking, arrow shooting, lighted armored thief. For the situation of a mage, Restoration stands for heavy armor, Conjuration for blocking, and Destruction for swords. It all depends on what you pick.

Does that make more sense?

You can't just specialise in a single skill tree and expect to kick ass...