What does this have to do with... anything? Are that same guy that was like "derpy i hacked up 3 full characters with blah blah blah and warrior is bestestest QQQQQQQQ?" You know guards scale to your level right? You'll never find a dungeon or anywhere that has nothing but enemies strictly at your level.

That is TOTALLY the point. There are a lot of people getting towards the end of the game who now feel they were deceived. They were told they could play the way they wanted, so they chose a destruction mage who shoot fire and ice from the sky and reigned electricity from their fingertips. In ANY other game, it would be a reasonable assumption that this would be an acceptable play-style for a wizard, let alone a game that promised you that you could be anything you wanted.

They spent hours on the game and found that low-and-behold, they could NOT shoot fire and ice from the sky, and reign electricity from their finger tips; at least not if they wanted to kill anything.

Now they all have to scramble to pick a ball-and-chain fallback skill that they didn't really want to play, because this one particular skill couldn't handle the game at higher levels.

Even if this was the intended function (which I suspect it wasn't. I'm still guessing it was an oversight), it is blatantly misleading. I don't understand how expecting destruction to be useful throughout the game is considered unreasonable. Every mage/wizard in popular culture uses spells similar to what is found in destruction as their bread and butter. Did Bethesda really think that no one would want to play this type of character?

I'm sorry, but I refuse to invest all of the time, money, energy and perks into a COMBAT SKILL, that becomes effectively impotent at level 40. Yes, I can use conjuration to subsidize it, but then I have to level that up to, which I might as well have done in the first place. It defeats the point of destruction all together.

It is possible to play a pure conjuration mage; it is not possible to play a pure destruction mage. Conjuration is not a supplement. It is a fall-back. Unfortunately, it is a VERY NECESSARY fall-back for a very broken skill.

Seriously... My two handed daedra sword does around 400 damage on a normal hit, burns the enemy 20 points of damage and drains 20 life, and that's without using any stamina. Oh yea, I never need to run from enemies cuz my armor also makes me godly so I do both many times more damage than a mage and can tank infinitely better than a mage.

Dude, learn to sneak. You don't need to put any perks in it, but it is fairly easy to train. Just enter sneakmode when you hear enemies, and get yourself the Silent Cast in Illusion or whatever that perk is called.

I understand your poking fun at the OP with this post, but I have to say two-handers are in no way crap. I had to restart my game and up the difficulty because I was breezing through the game on the default difficulty with my battleaxe wielding nord.

Wow, apparently everyone is missing the point entirely. Say I'm a warrior who is level 50 swinging a one handed sword and he does like...300 damage a hit or something ridiculous. He can do this dozens of times without having to stop. Now let's say that I'm a level 50 mage who is casting fire storm(my WEAPON my equivalent to the warrior's sword)and it does 100 damage with a hit. I can only cast this a couple times and I'm out of magicka. Even though I have like 62% magicka regeneration on all my equipment, that regeneration rate is only for the OUTSIDE of battle, so I'm relying on my race's natural magicka regeneration rate to take me back up. In the mean time, I have no magicka for ward or defense spells or conjuration or anything, I am a log in the water. What isn't broken about that?

Edit: And that's provided my spell hits or makes it through. The warrior can go up and break through wards and attack fast to take mages down. I shoot a mage with a firebolt and they have a ward up. The ward goes away, but they instantly pull it back up and can cast it infinitely with one hand while shooting one hit kill ice shards with the other.

That's if they can get to level 40 with destruction magic alone. Op has trouble at level 14 and honestly I don't blame him.

you clearly can't understand what other ppl are saying. the point is that regardless its steel sword or daedric one they get better more powerful by increasing respective skill, and what's more important is as game progresses there are so many ways to improve melee weapon damage further. hell with 100 in crafting skills and some grinding you can enchant 81% weapon damage increase(specific to a weapon). you put that in 4 pieces thats 320%.


with magic you can never reach this damage output. ppl wouldnt waste their time griping about destruction if they were viable skill late in game. this thing came out after like 2~3 days release. It simply means if you're not planning to stop playing at level 25~30 destruction has no future.

Actually, warriors still need to use heavy ar mor, blocking, and smithing, and enchantments. It's not like all they use is their weapon skill.

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Same here. I've found Destruction to be very powerful (I'm level 24 now and have Destruction ad 80-something.) Then again, I play Dunmer and had a Destruction boost from the start, and I also use other schools (Restoration and Alteration mainly) to defend myself. I've also put points into leveling up Health. Still, I have trouble fighting other mages, but I've recently learned to use Wards more effectively.

Here's the way I do it, I'm going to spoiler this due to spell names and abilities some might not have come across yet. I might be stating the obvious at some points, but maybe theres stuff you haven't tried:

I would suggest Conjuration as it is VERY easy to level to 100 and once done so after summoning 2 Storm Atronachs, not only will enemies (and dragons especially) be concentrated on them allowing you to cast spells without harm, but also the Atronachs themselves are very strong in their own rite.

If however you are sticking to Destruction only, I would advise 100 Enchantment. With that it is possible to enchant 4 pieces of clothing/armor with 25% Destruction spell cost reduction making all Destruction spells free to cast literally unlimited times.

Okay, people are saying Destruction gets weaker in late-game, and I cannot comment on that point that much...

But saying that it's useless early and you cannot use it at level 15 or 20 just shows that you're doing it wrong.

its fine you need to know how to mix lol and find diffrent spells i got ice storm and does hugee damage

actually i had similar concern with conjuration. do summons become stronger as you level your overall level or conjuration? if not and all the improvement they get is puny one shot increase from conjuration perk wouldnt they be one-shot killed late game?

Most warriors don't use the blocking perk cuz most don't use shields. And it's pretty easy to beat the game without smithing or enchantments as a warrior. In fact, all a warrior has to do is focus on one weapon specialty like one hand or two hand and heavy armor to faceroll through the game. A pure destruction mage who has light armor focus or even enchantments cannot do that.

New mission: beat the game with 2H as your only damage source.. Or bow. Or 1H. Or Conjuration.

Wait a second that works just fine actually.

There's your problem right there. Get the Archmage's Robes and the Morokei mask (both from the College of Winterhold quest line), and you'll have 200% magicka regeneration.

destruction works great and i'm playing on hard

Levels 8-12 I was getting crunched pretty good. Now at 17, I feel like the Emperor from Star Wars. I am just blasting things to high hell.

You people have to get to level 40, or don't tell us high level mages how 'destruction scales! trust me!'
It doesn't. Stop lying or thinking you know how spell damage works later on in the game. Thanks

I'm level 32, been putting a lot of my perks and effort into destruction magic, and I am having the same problem as the OP. I constantly have to turn the difficulty down to defeat enemies, even with my most powerful spells. But when I use shield and one handed weapons, I'm free and clear. Doesn't really seem fair to us mages.

Someone has to make a lvl30+ and master disclaimer on these threads. Yes we know, teens and twenties is were destro shines.

Are you utilizing potions or enchanting at all?


Don't bother with the mask if you have maxed enchanting, just slap +25% cheaper and +62% regen onto a circlet and you're good to go.

you couldn't be more wrong on this one. I agree destruction is somewhat stuck in late game, but a warrior with no shield, smithing or enchantments? I assure you the warrior is nothing but a sandbag, and you might as well bring your coffin in your inventory cause you are going to die even at level 20 and on.

have you fought with 2~3 two handed wielding melees without shield? and that with unenchanted, unimproved weapon? I'm level 18 yet to improve my smithing or enchanting. only invested in one hand and block mostly. I'm playing on expert, but every encounter with 2~3 enemies is life or death situation. have to rely on potion and foods.