The sooner the 360 is replaced the better. It's old technology that is holding back the true potential of games. It's a miracle Beth were able to create such a large game that looks great on it at all.

Considering that it only uses 3.8GB, I have to say you're wrong. Console hardware is only holding back graphics standards, not game standards.

There's no reason to worry about it until you have your game. Lots of people are playing but most of the complaints are coming from people that haven't got the game yet.. not the people playing. There's lots of factors to consider... Older hd's, older boxes, how much space people have left on the hd, all factors that can't really be calculated and discovered until everyone actually has the game.
It's hard to believe that a game the game makers have actually played over and over.. done speed runs and stuff like this would have such a problem that went unnoticed.

As for the question of why people just don't play off the disc.. on many of xbox consoles the disc drive sounds like a jumbo jet eating a walrus playing a tuba. Installing cuts down on the noise.
As successful as the xbox is.. it sure was a poorly made product in the beginning.

Well now you've made me feel bad. I was just messing with you, your written English is no worse than that of the average American.

On-Topic: Isn't a fix for the texture issues supposedly included in the day-one patch?

You know that the PC version will be screwed up now just because you said that, right?

wow went from a texture bug thread to a PC snobby elitism thread in 15 seconds flat


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With Battlefield 3 it's something completely different. This has nothing to do with a new storage system on the DVD or anything like that, either.

It's just their engine relies heavily on fast streaming. The DVD drive (and the BluRay, too) aren't fast enough, that's why the game needs to stream from the HDD.
On the PS3 that's no problem. Every game can be installed as Sony allows mandatory installs. Same on the PC.
But Microsoft doesn't allow mandatory installs since not every Xbox360 has a HDD. They have this optional install feature of the 360 itself, but DICE can't force players to use it.
Microsoft demands that every game has to be playable without an install.
That's why DICE did this workaround. The normal textures are installed optional and without it the game loads low res textures from the DVD, so it's still playable to run straight from the disc but it's intended to look worse when played without install. There was no problem with Battlefield 3 that needs fixing. Everything was as intended.

That's why this isn't comparable to Skyrim.
The low res textures aren't intended and it's just a bug with the texture streaming. Normally this shouldn't happen, as the HDD is obviously much faster than the DVD drive so textures should rather load faster, but somehow they don't.
Hard to tell how big the problem really is. Could be easy fixable or could require a lot of rewriting.

I wish, like at least four of us would go in front of the Designer offices in Maryland and hold some signs about how much we love Skyrim and want a patch. Then all the Devs would come into work seeing it and they'd be aware of the issue...lol.

Bingo! Way to support each other guys.

The reason for the small 3.8GB size is probably because the open world is streamed, i think they call it the creation engine. So basically instead of modeling 200 unique trees in the world they tell the engine to draw an already existing tree object, so that will really cut down on object texture size of the game. This is also why PC needs a decent cpu to constantly stream in objects as you move and not entirely determined on your graphics card to draw it.

I've already reserved my xbox360 copy and picking it up in 24h and I personally always install my game due to noise level of the dvd drive and also since it speeds up loading times, in some games it will make them run better like Fable 2 for example.

I'm just hoping that when I get home the 1.1 patch will be up and ready and that it will resolve this texture loading bug from the HD.

Yep. Noticed that too. Any time they can say " Good thing I bought for PC, tee hee", they jump. Nice.

General rule of thumb about the internet - when people comment on something, it's usually bad news. Hardly anyone pipes up and says "Well guys I just thought I'd tell you that I'm so pleased that everything is working exactly to specification!"

Also worth noting that any non-official content or videos posted before release day (tomorrow, if you didn't know ) is A LEAK (regardless if it's a legitimately received version of the game). People who post leaks are troublemakers and troublemakers will say anything to get people to pay attention to them.

I'm not saying I'm blind to there being any potential issues, but it is madness to pay serious attention to what troublemakers are saying until after the game's released. And no, I don't believe for a second that the day 1 patch was released early. A business-savvy publisher/developer like Bethesda is not going to release an early patch in order to appease troublemakers who have leaked the game.

This is like saying smoking pot means you're an evil criminal.

People exaggerate this way too much. I've seen the same complaints and worse over so many games that I thought were beyond great. So the people who think RUINS are game are just as bad as the people spreading the fear. As if graphics matter that much anyway?

I've been playing it on the 360, haven't noticed a thing, a couple of random tiny glitches, but nothing more than any other game.

As an Englishman, if I were to say that it would be considered "damning with faint praise"

No it isn't.

PETE HINES SAY "IT WILL BE THE SAME THING IF YOU PLAY WITH YOUR CD INSTALLED ON YOUR HDD OR NOT, THE GAME LOOKS GREAT WITH BOTH CHOICES"

Stop spamming this shi... ??

Pete Hines say in his Twitter that and anybody see it ?
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Check the twitter of Pete Hines.

Kind of is....most of these people are just informing other fans that there is a problem and it needs to be addressed/not tolerated. Its education. What if it was a more extreme situation, and Skyrim was actually a pure puzzle game, and these "trouble making leakers" were informing people that paid good money and anticipated this game were being duped on false pretenses. Its the same principal. They're mostly trying to help. Yeah, there are some trolls, but these guys are just over exaggerating jerks. Most of this info comes from legit sources. This is an issue, and the customers have a right to know before its too late to get a refund.

Especially when Pete Hines is unintentionally(?) lying about it.

I saw tons of proof. and hordes of separate players report this problem.

Either its a Illuminati conspiracy, or Pete don't know jack **.

Ya know, the worst thing about this type of situation to me is seeing the resulting saber rattling and tribal bickering that destroys the last vestiges of my faith in humanity.

The "low textures on swords, etc.." are the vanilla textures from Skyrim and not a kind of bug.
Maybe they bring a patch for higher-res, maybe not who cares the game is amazing. And looks way better than oblivion.
Oblivions and Fallouts textures were also not good from a closer view but i do not standing 2 hrs in front of a stone and complaining about low quality

But the Textures look 5x better playing off disc. If it was the same on disc as it was on HDD, then we'd just have to deal, but obviously the default graphics are superior to whats being exhibited. So...yeah....bug.

I play off the disk and the textures are looking poorer when you play with disk.