SOPA 'shelved' until consensus is found : Othor Games

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Inspired in the sense that people have a chance to change the way thier country operates, but I am utterly disgusted by how the goverment in Syria operates and the heavy hand they have used to crush rebellion.

My apologies for your troubles, I did not mean to poke fun but was rather only trying to offer hope that things will get better. :confused:

thanks to you i understand you from the start and am with you 100%

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:56 pm

What was that saying? Paraphrased: "willing to fight for everyone's freedoms but their own".

That's a smiley, but really this is totally pathetic. And people are putting up with it because they're comfortable. Switch off everyone's TVs, please.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:54 am

Crafty move, somebody may have bought themselves a couple votes.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:39 am

Sounds a bit more like this for the bill:

A. A person makes a video again the U.S. government.
B. The U.S. government takes the video down & arrest that person.

Sounds like fascists power to me.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:44 am

Anyone know enough about the OPEN Act, an alternative to SOPA/PIPA, to have opinions on it?

The OPEN act is seriously flawed in my book. It's better than SOPA/PIPA, but still has a few flaws

The vigilante provision still lives, which is our biggest complaint about the OPEN Act. The legislation’s current draft includes language that can be read to provide immunity for financial transaction providers and Internet advertising services who cut off payment and services to a site based on a "reasonable belief based on credible evidence" that the site is dedicated to infringing activity and the services do not otherwise breach their contractual relationships with the sites. Unfortunately, the draft legislation fails to define “a reasonable belief based on credible evidence,” creating a scenario where providers could proactively cut off services to avoid potential liability, even if their “reasonable belief” is only based on notice from the big content industries. (Sec.2(j)).

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/open-act-good-bad-and-practice-participatory-government

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:47 am

Sounds a bit more like this for the bill:

A. A person makes a video again the U.S. government.
B. The U.S. government takes the video down & arrest that person.

Sounds like fascists power to me.

That doesn't really have anything to do with SOPA/PIPA/OPEN in the slightest, now the terrorist legislation from last year... well thats a different kind of monster.

If that game had copyright infringement, and particpated online somehow... then maybe.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:25 am

Politicians are dimwits anyway. The internet doesn't work that way, it's specifically designed to get around this kind of thing. The only reason China can manage a limited degree of censorship is that they control every single phone line into and out of the country, and have the cooperation of the major information sites like Google who make special "China" versions of their sites that, for example, can't search for the Tienamin square massacre...and even then, it's not 100% blockage.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:52 am

As long as they don't take down steam then I'm fine, I'll still be able to play skyrim

I do hope they don't actually take everything down though. I vote no for SOPA

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:32 am

Precisely.

Its why it is so reminiscent of the Prohibition Era, and more recently... the War on Drugs.

The backwards attitude of censoring something as dynamic as the Internet is outright laughable, and will only succeed in turning regular old oblivious citizens into criminals. Even worse, there is language that could be interpreted as stating copyright infringement is a felony offense. That is the scary part, and would be the logical next step.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, pshaw...

Ignorant law is no excuse.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:02 am

As long as they don't take down steam then I'm fine, I'll still be able to play skyrim :tongue:

I do hope they don't actually take everything down though. I vote no for SOPA

These forums would have to remove your signature if SOPA/PIPA/OPEN passed, if not ban you from the site.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:30 am

I've been cruisnig Wikipedia for most of the day...just press escape and the block doesn't come up...

herpderpedia was priceless though

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:45 am

These forums would have to remove your signature if SOPA/PIPA/OPEN passed, if not ban you from the site.

OPEN and PIPA can't touch american hosted sites (PIPA can to a degree) SOPA I'm not certain of do to how many changes have happened to it recently, but the general rule of thumb is that all these bills are going after non-.com sites. SOPA and PIPA have bleedover to .com, but OPEN doesn't (OPEN's only two good points are that it doesn't involve blocking of sites and it is explicit in only going after foreign sites. the foreign requirement in PIPA is less strict and in SOPA is extremely convoluted)

I've been cruisnig Wikipedia for most of the day...just press escape and the block doesn't come up...

herpderpedia was priceless though

It's even easier if you disable Javascript for wikipedia/wikimedia using NoScript/NotScripts, as then you don't have to do anything at all. If you bothered to read Wikimedia's SOPA Blackout initiative and objective, you would have been told how to bypass it as Wikimedia's intention was not to inconvenience people, but spread the word of how important it is to stop SOPA.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:54 am

OPEN and PIPA can't touch american hosted sites (PIPA can to a degree) SOPA I'm not certain of do to how many changes have happened to it recently, but the general rule of thumb is that all these bills are going after non-.com sites. SOPA and PIPA have bleedover to .com, but OPEN doesn't (OPEN's only two good points are that it doesn't involve blocking of sites and it is explicit in only going after foreign sites. the foreign requirement in PIPA is less strict and in SOPA is extremely convoluted)

Fair enough.

Hyperbole withstanding on my part, good job.

It does set a precedent though.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:25 am

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/pipa-support-collapses-with-13-new-opponents-in-senate.ars

Thought I would share this bit of good news.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:31 am

herpderpedia was priceless though

Agreed, but I seriously hope a lot of those are trolling. I literally headdesked when I saw the people who thought Wikipedia was protesting SOAP. :wallbash:

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:51 am

Government is just another way of saying "Better than you". As vague as that sounds, it explains a lot. I hope this garbage blows over soon.

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:55 am

I'm not too worried about 2012 and doomsday scenarios.

I am actually rather inspired by the Arab Spring, OWS, even the Tea Party to an extent.

2012 is shaping up to be the year of change.

What its going to look like when the dust settles and 2013 rears its ugly head is anyone's guess.

As it happens, that's actually what this year would mean to the Mayans... the end of an era, a time of change and rebirth. Like tarot's Death card, it is not about the ending so much as the new start which springs from it.

In doing so, they also highlight how easy it is to have your IP blocked as well.

Of course, even having your IP blocked still isn't foolproof. This legislation is a war of escalation, one that governments have no hope of winning. The internet just gets bigger guns.

Ahhh.... how the lead of information is poisoning our watersources of government.

Indeed. There are already numerous censorship circumvention technologies (both software and hardware) being worked on by groups of individuals (as opposed to businesses); implementing censorship in a nation with as high an internet/computing penetration as the USA would be a boon to their development and adoption.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:57 am

Favoring SOPA is the equivalent of committing political/social suicide.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:35 am

As it happens, that's actually what this year would mean to the Mayans... the end of an era, a time of change and rebirth. Like tarot's Death card, it is not about the ending so much as the new start which springs from it.

Indeed. There are already numerous censorship circumvention technologies (both software and hardware) being worked on by groups of individuals (as opposed to businesses); implementing censorship in a nation with as high an internet/computing penetration as the USA would be a boon to their development and adoption.

Well said.

Favoring SOPA is the equivalent of committing political/social suicide.

Well, with Citizen's United... one would be surprised at a candidate's viability unfortunately. :dry:

» Sat May 12, 2012 9:16 pm

So is SOPA basically gonna turn the internet into a police state, kinda like East Germany after the war?

Basically.

Government is just another way of saying "Better than you". As vague as that sounds, it explains a lot. I hope this garbage blows over soon.

It's always about money it's the corporations that are pushing for these bills to pass.

» Sat May 12, 2012 8:25 pm

Favoring SOPA is the equivalent of committing political/social suicide.

Who needs the public vote when you have the corporate on your side?

» Sun May 13, 2012 5:41 am

I'd just like to point to my sig and say that anyone who supports this deserves an arrow to the knee.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:28 am

I'd just like to point to my sig and say that anyone who supports this deserves an arrow to the knee.

Except this is about money not safety. :tongue:

I doupt anyone here supports it unless they're a CEO of a huge corporation.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:15 am

Not even that, SOPA is mainly for the big media and recording industries. However, keep vigillent on PIPA. It's the same as SOPA, except for the US Fedial government. Let that last two sentences sink in.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:52 am

Not even that, SOPA is mainly for the big media and recording industries. However, keep vigillent on PIPA. It's the same as SOPA, except for the US Fedial government. Let that last two sentences sink in.

And from memory the vote for PIPA is relatively soon, which is probably why they announced SOPA being shelved. They get to cut down on negative publicity caused by SOPA while not actually doing anything and try and slip PIPA under the radar at the same time.