http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EDHa-77cy3I&t=2m4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EDHa-77cy3I&t=2m4s

Two women flanking four men. Both of those women are showing far more skin than is sensible. All of the male characters are wearing protective armour. The next woman to be shown is wearing a briastplate with large spaces made for her briasts. That is not actually a necessary part of a briastplate, guys. Why don't the men have cavernous spaces for their junk to hang in? Because most men don't have large enough packages to warrant it? That's funny because those briasts look very large by most people's standards. Queen Ayrenn's showing off her cleavage nicely as well.

I'm sorry, but at what point did the dev team decide to follow the artistic direction of the adolescent crap that a large part of the modding community puts out? I'm talking about skimpy armours and UNP and similarly stereotypical basemant-dweller fantasies that undermine the credibility of the entire game world in which they are presented.

We've seen little gameplay so far, so my issue is not with the game - yet. I'm worried about the artistic direction of their concept art. I don't mind nudity or mature themes, but if a character's going to go to the effort of wearing armour then that armour should at least look like it'll do the job. I am not roleplaying an airheaded bimbo who wants to look like a princess on the battlefield while tanning her cleavage. Concept art comes from the design document and the artist. Are ZMO's artists immature and sixist or is the design document lacking? Food for thought.

Edit: how do I post a Youtube URL without the forum automatically shortening and hyperlinking it?

Going into battle completely covered head to toe in plate armor is not sensible in most cases it really makes much more sense to be able to breathe and move freely. If you want to cover your female in heavy armor because you are worried about showing skin and being sixist than do it but don't fault the concept art, it's only concept art. If you want to talk about being sensible complain about the armor on the Orismer in a desert covered in plate armor not the Redgard female who is actually sensibly dressed.

I don't see any of those concepts showing heavy armor that will not do the job. I see a couple women of wearing light armor where is makes sense for it to be more open and free flowing.

If you are going to say having open areas in armor in not sensible and try to go the "not natural" route you should rethink what natural armor would be. I play a warrior and in ESO I will go with light armor because I can but in most cases I am forced into heavy clunky covering armor which is much less natural and would lead to your inevitable death in battle no matter how much plate is on there is wouldnt save your life in a war.

Going into battle with your major internal organs uncovered by any layer of armour while other, less sensitive areas are protected is not sensible in most cases it really makes much more sense to put the armour over the bits you need to protect the most.

If you want to cover your female in heavy armor because you are worried about showing skin and being sixist than do it but don't fault the concept art, it's only concept art. If you want to talk about being sensible complain about the armor on the Orismer in a desert covered in plate armor not the Redgard female who is actually sensibly dressed.

hell, even full plate armor isn’t as encumbering as it looks like. You could do gymnastics in one

The image mentioned: http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_282252_thumb_wide940.jpg

A prime example for what this thread is about, by the way. The orc and the woman in the middle are both wearing the same set of armor, yet the woman sees fit to expose the part of her body offering the shortest way to her heart.


As for the "forsaking protection in favor of agility and thus doesn't need protextion" argument that is boudn to come up:

A bare midriff doesn’t make anyone more agile, neither does a boob window.

How many women do you see day-to-day wearing such exposing clothing? They choose to dress that way because they feel they are save in their environment. If you’d go to battle, it would only be natural to cover up as good as you can, alone for the psychologc impression, even if it’s only cloth. Except maybe if you live in a society where almost-nakedness is normal, which in most games you don’t.

If you want to use your agility to substitute for protection, you better be very agile. How agile? Well, how much agility is enough to survive a hail of arrows unscathed? Or evade enemy strikes when you are surounded by toher fighters and barely having place to move at all, as is the case in most great battles? If you only count on your agility, you have to be aware of everything happening around you and you have to react with almost preternatural speed. One single hit could end you and if you fail to see or react in time, you are done. In the middle of a battle with all that fighting going on, missing something isn’t a question of if, but when.

With armor that only covers what is indecent so expose in public, you have no protection when that happens. Sacrificing a bit of agility for a full suit of hardened leather or chain mail (hell, even full plate armor isn’t as encumbering as it looks like. You could do gymnastics in one) is the only reasonable thing to do, unless you are some sort of super ninja. But then you wouldn’t run around playing cave explorer anyway.

Agility is the go-to argument to justify porm armor but it is utterly wrong. If all the porm on the internet isn’t enough for people to [censored] to, they should just admit it instead of spreading non-arguments why all women in games (and to an extend movies, TV, etc) should be looking like porm stars.

Did you ever wear any plate armor? It seems not.

idk but the link you sent me showed a female nord showing almost no skin.

Sorry, I didn't realise we had a real warrior with real experience in real war here. I thought anyone defending battle bikinis would be defying reality if anything!

I don't want to cover my female in heavy armour. I want to outfit her in light armour that observes the realities of the TES world: that things that get sliced bleed,

The redguard woman is asking for an arrow to the... belly.

Fantasy_Video_Game. Men are big and muscular, women are all attractive and sixy. Fantasy_Video_Game.

Am I the only one who really just does not care about this? I mean, really. We're playing a fantasy video game. Who cares if the graphic for your armor wouldn't work in real life? Carrying 6 different types of weapons and ammo on you wouldn't work in RL either, nor would a huge gout of flames spewing from your fingers. Fantasy_Video_Game. Men are big and muscular, women are all attractive and sixy. Fantasy_Video_Game.

When I'm storming around in the heat of battle, I can assure you the last things on my mind are:
Oh, the objectification of women! What days are upon us! or
ZOMG look at the bewbs! or
I'm going to attack that female, as she's obviously wearing spare protection

Undermine the credibility of the entire game world indeed. How's the weather up there, anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EDHa-77cy3I&t=2m4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EDHa-77cy3I&t=2m4s

Two women flanking four men. Both of those women are showing far more skin than is sensible. All of the male characters are wearing protective armour. The next woman to be shown is wearing a briastplate with large spaces made for her briasts. That is not actually a necessary part of a briastplate, guys. Why don't the men have cavernous spaces for their junk to hang in? Because most men don't have large enough packages to warrant it? That's funny because those briasts look very large by most people's standards. Queen Ayrenn's showing off her cleavage nicely as well.

I'm sorry, but at what point did the dev team decide to follow the artistic direction of the adolescent crap that a large part of the modding community puts out? I'm talking about skimpy armours and UNP and similarly stereotypical basemant-dweller fantasies that undermine the credibility of the entire game world in which they are presented.

We've seen little gameplay so far, so my issue is not with the game - yet. I'm worried about the artistic direction of their concept art. I don't mind nudity or mature themes, but if a character's going to go to the effort of wearing armour then that armour should at least look like it'll do the job. I am not roleplaying an airheaded bimbo who wants to look like a princess on the battlefield while tanning her cleavage. Concept art comes from the design document and the artist. Are ZMO's artists immature and sixist or is the design document lacking? Food for thought.

Edit: how do I post a Youtube URL without the forum automatically shortening and hyperlinking it?

Those tropes you mention started originally because crafters of mainstream fantasy were pandering to their target audience which they perceived to be immature, insecure and sixist. Sure, let's keep being immature, insecure and sixist because that's what fantasy is.

Oh?

Watched TV lately? Seen a movie? Looked over a magazine rack? But yeah, sixy & attractive women are just for basemant dwellers and the socially awkward. You're chasing windmills.
You're certainly free to go and start Greatcarbuncle's RL Battle Simulator MMO Which Doesn't Offend Anyone's Delicate Sensibilities and Portrays RL as Closely as Possible. This, however, is someone elses game, art, and work. They'll make it how they see fit. You can be a conscientious objector and not play if you're that serious about it... but I doubt that

TL:DR: Lighten up, man! It's a fantasy video game. Play it and have fun like the rest of us are planning to. It's not a political statement.

But I like my women nvde...

Do they feel the same about you?

(Tongue in cheek)

As a female I hate bulky clothes on me at any time. I understand that the wearing of armour is a little different, but it is a fantasy game after all, and I still want my character to look good same as I like to present irl.

TL;DR: I don't really care so long as it isn't tacky.

This pretty much. I don't like huge bulky armors that hide curves, and there's no law against looking fantastic while killing things x3