Stop right now, ZMO. Stop and reconsider your female armours

Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:55 pm

Define fantastic.

Not tacky.
Why don't I just play a male character if I can't tell the difference? :P
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:11 am

But I like my women nvde...

Actually I think women look much more sixy if they have some clothing on, however this is way way off topic so maybe I should have left this out....
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:43 am

Define fantastic. You can have curves, just do not pretend you are some heavy armor using Knight or soemthing. Enchanted Cloth or Light Armor would be what you should pick. I do not like contradicting the world's narrative to cater to someone else's wants like looking good while killing stuff. I think you should have options for doing so. But make it work within the framework of the world. People in metal bikinis should not be saving the world. I shouldn't need to explain that last sentence.

People in full plate shouldn't be swimming across lakes and rivers. I shouldn't need to explain that, either, and yet its an accepted handwave of real-life physics. Why is that handwave acceptable but unrealistic armour must be avoided at all costs in a game?
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:39 am

Does this really bother people?

Films objectify women. And men.
Books objectify women. And men.
Games objectify women. And men.

It's a fact of life that the media objectifies for audiences.

I've seen a lot worse than this.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:31 pm

I think you should be taking your cause up against pretty women who use their looks and sixuality to make money in real life. Your sisters are selling out and causing all this to happen to all women by catering to what men want to see for the dollars. Attacking a game for just supplying what is the norm will get you nowhere. six sells, look at everything that has ads today. Its not immature, its nature.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:54 pm



People in full plate shouldn't be swimming across lakes and rivers. I shouldn't need to explain that, either, and yet its an accepted handwave of real-life physics. Why is that handwave acceptable but unrealistic armour must be avoided at all costs in a game?
Who said I found that acceptable? I think it is stupid too. But that is more a gameplay restriction. No one can walk around with hundreds of pounds of crap in their inventories and yet they still do with little to no problem. Somethings are gameplay decisions and others are design decisions.

I also happen to find skimpy armor completely tasteless. It negates its very purpose. It usurps its own design. Armor is supposed to he beautiful because of it performing it's function to an amazing extent. Basically it comes down to people who do not understand how armor works and going ooohh I want it to look pretty. Lets make it look like that even though it makes no sense.
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:33 am

Does this really bother people?

Films objectify women. And men.
Books objectify women. And men.
Games objectify women. And men.

It's a fact of life that the media objectifies for audiences.

I've seen a lot worse than this.

This logic annoys me. "Everybody does it, and does it worse, so this is okay". I'm with the OP, but not because of concerns over reality, as i think that's pretty daft logic too. Bottom line - objectification in any form = bad. Period.
I mean, come on, we've all seen the Bosmer artwork (I know Scribonate certainly has). Gratuitous? Just a smidge.
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:02 am

Who said I found that acceptable? I think it is stupid too. But that is more a gameplay restriction. No one can walk around with hundreds of pounds of crap in their inventories and yet they still do with little to no problem. Somethings are gameplay decisions and others are design decisions.

I also happen to find skimpy armor completely tasteless. It negates its very purpose. It usurps its own design. Armor is supposed to he beautiful because of it performing it's function to an amazing extent. Basically it comes down to people who do not understand how armor works and going ooohh I want it to look pretty. Lets make it look like that even though it makes no sense.

Enchantments are there for the armor, the material that holds the enchantment is only there for looking sixy and badass. I think you have it backwards.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:42 pm

This logic annoys me. "Everybody does it, and does it worse, so this is okay". I'm with the OP, but not because of concerns over reality, as i think that's pretty daft logic too. Bottom line - objectification in any form = bad. Period.
I mean, come on, we've all seen the Bosmer artwork (I know Scribonate certainly has). Gratuitous? Just a smidge.

Its art.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:26 pm

Its not immature, its nature.

More frustrating logic that's come up a lot on the nvde thread. Yeah, it's perfectly natural, but i seriously doubt that a banana hammock would be acceptable attire for a trip to the supermarket.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Its art.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:42 pm

More frustrating logic that's come up a lot on the nvde thread. Yeah, it's perfectly natural, but i seriously doubt that a banana hammock would be acceptable attire for a trip to the supermarket.

Its perfect logic, its just not to your opinion or taste. six is natural whether you like it or not. Its why we are still here as a race and have survived for so long.

I wouldnt wear one shopping or at all, they don't look comfortable, but if someone wanted to I don't see why they can't just because you don't want them too. Who are you to tell other people what they can and can't wear?
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:47 am

In favor of complete fairness and equality, let's allow females to also carry around 150+ pounds or steel, because that is realistic. *face palm*

...yes, let's allow out ideologies of modern day political correctness and care bear waste to neuter a FANTASY GAME....
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:20 pm

I don't think we've seen enough armor to be on the topic of objectification..
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:51 pm

Define fantastic. You can have curves, just do not pretend you are some heavy armor using Knight or soemthing. Enchanted Cloth or Light Armor would be what you should pick. I do not like contradicting the world's narrative to cater to someone else's wants like looking good while killing stuff. I think you should have options for doing so. But make it work within the framework of the world. People in metal bikinis should not be saving the world. I shouldn't need to explain that last sentence.

Don't tell us what to prefer. Gawd, this is another realism thread isn't it...

Zenimax - don't listen to these people! Give us pretty armour!
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:36 pm

Zenimax wants to make money, and six sells.

This won't change unless their targeted fan base stops being so young and predominantly male... Or unless all their potential female players boycott the game in protest. (HINT: Neither is happening this decade.)
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:29 pm

Zenimax wants to make money, and six sells.

This won't change unless their targeted fan base stops being so young and predominantly male... Or unless all their potential female players boycott the game in protest. (HINT: Neither is happening this decade.)

Most likely the females (the ones who aren't uptight about their bodies) like looking good, both ingame as they do irl. So meddlers - do not want to look frumpy in my armours, cheers :bunny:
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:22 am

This is a silly topic lololol... I mean the reason why the armor is so revealing is simple to me.. You have to feminize the hero, if the female heros were to look like the male ones then how would you be able to tell she is a female.. Not im saying this because i also believe you can't over do it. But the reason is clear is to make a nice divide between the bulky man like armor with the more softer approach for females..
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:21 pm

Its perfect logic, its just not to your opinion or taste. six is natural whether you like it or not. Its why we are still here as a race and have survived for so long.

I wouldnt wear one shopping or at all, they don't look comfortable, but if someone wanted to I don't see why they can't just because you don't want them too. Who are you to tell other people what they can and can't wear?

Wow. Okay. Let's try a further extreme. Do you think six in the middle of a mall is acceptable? you can cry nature all you want, but if you want to live around other people, I'm afraid that societal norms have to be considered. Or you could just go live as a hermit. That's also an option.

Either way. BlueSnacks is right, we haven't seen enough to judge yet, but even if it does turn out Trionesque, there's not much ZOS is gonna do to change it now. We may as well, as ever, just wait and see.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:04 pm

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First shot of the female armor was an archer. Archers are ranged attackers. they aren't being attacked by swords and thus really don't need to be in full plate.
Second shot of the female armor was a battle-mage. not sure about this. either mage part helped her armor or she just like melee weapons over staves.
Third shot of the female armor was plate. Well i'd only say that wealth = briast spots in plate. maybe she couldn't wrap herself down enough and still needed more room. The plate doesn't look like she's a E+ cup.
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:49 am



Don't tell us what to prefer. Gawd, this is another realism thread isn't it...

Zenimax - don't listen to these people! Give us pretty armour!
No, I will tell you my opinion whether you like it or not. I never told you what to prefer.

It is about continuity in a game series that is founded on a lot of realistic themes. There is a much wider audience who doesn't appreciate overtly sixualized armor. Because armor is one thing that shouldn't be sixualized. It serves a purpose. You do not twist a screwdriver into a heart shape. That nearly defeats it's purpose. It cannot reach most of the places it is meant to anymore. Just like you do not leave huge gaps in armor over critical spots on the body because that defeats its purpose as well. No Smith in the Elder Scrolls universe would make armor like that if it was meant for warfare. It is meant to protect your life. There is not a single high tiered armor in the last 3 TES games that are skimpy or have boob windows. Outside of Daggerfall or Arena. I am not sure if those ones do. But there is a major difference between Morrowind and Daggerfall. Morrowind rebooted the series in many ways. A lot of things from Daggerfall and Arena can actually be ignored, Daedra were not even called Daedra in Arena and Atronachs were not Daedra in Daggerfall. Many other examples.

Hard to take a game based on an ongoing war seriously if there is some idiot(this isn't aimed at you in case you take it that way)running around in skimpy heavy armor killing people. If they do have skimpy armors in the game. They should be from the lowest tiers or some kind of enchanted cloth or ceremonial outfit. I won't continue playing the game if that is not the case. I will buy, beat it, and leave it.

Zenimax- Don't overly cater to these people. Pretty armor can be done practically and in a feminine way. No boob windows are necessary. Boob plates are even unrealistic but I can live with those.

For the record, I am mostly speaking of of heavy armor.

Light Armor has a lot more leeway here and so to does enchanted cloth of various types. You can get your pretty armor fix in those categories without making the worlds narrative contradict itself just to cater to your needs.
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:18 am

No, I will tell you my opinion whether you like it or not. I never told you what to prefer.

It is about continuity in a game series that is founded on a lot of realistic themes. There is a much wider audience who doesn't appreciate overtly sixualized armor. Because armor is one thing that shouldn't be sixualized. It serves a purpose. You do not twist a screwdriver into a heart shape. That nearly defeats it's purpose. It cannot reach most of the places it is meant to anymore. Just like you do not leave huge gaps in armor over critical spots on the body because that defeats its purpose as well. No Smith in the Elder Scrolls universe would make armor like that if it was meant for warfare. It is meant to protect your life. There is not a single high tiered armor in the last 3 TES games that are skimpy or have boob windows. Outside of Daggerfall or Arena. I am not sure if those ones do. But there is a major difference between Morrowind and Daggerfall. Morrowind rebooted the series in many ways. A lot of things from Daggerfall and Arena can actually be ignored, Daedra were not even called Daedra in Arena and Atronachs were not Daedra in Daggerfall. Many other examples.

Hard to take a game based on an ongoing war seriously if there is some idiot(this isn't aimed at you in case you take it that way)running around in skimpy heavy armor killing people. If they do have skimpy armors in the game. They should be from the lowest tiers or some kind of enchanted cloth or ceremonial outfit. I won't continue playing the game if that is not the case. I will buy, beat it, and leave it.

Zenimax- Don't overly cater to these people. Pretty armor can be done practically and in a feminine way. No boob windows are necessary. Boob plates are even unrealistic but I can live with those.

For the record, I am mostly speaking of of heavy armor.

Light Armor has a lot more leeway here and so to does enchanted cloth of various types. You can get your pretty armor fix in those categories without making the worlds narrative contradict itself just to cater to your needs.

I like to look slender and not bulky and with the form of a male in a game. I think people will indeed complain about the armour if it isn't fitted nicely - as people complained in RIFT with the female armour. Made us look like we were wearing sacks at certain stages of the game. Absolutely horrible, and made me much less connected with my character - hated looking at it, took some of the fun out of leveling...leveling usually brings you cool looking gear, when it doesn't you just can't be bothered quite so much, just seems meh.

I'm not changing my position (and most likely the majority of normal people will agree with me) about wanting to look nice, just so you can pretend you're back in medieval times.

As for "boob windows" - you can make form-fitting armour without these, my clothes fit me irl nicely and I don't spill out everywhere. The important thing is the figure retains its femininity.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:27 pm

That's just concept art.

Please watch the into video and look at the screen shots.

If you find one single instance of skimpy armor IN GAME I will congratulate you and also send you a pizza from Chicago (lying about the pizza.)

Also, this has been done to death.

1) Adolescent males like skimpy armor
2) The male armors are usually nearly as bad
3) Male character models are also very stereotyped
4) For light armor, like with the bosmer in the concept art or the Redguard, it isn't at all unrealistic.
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Post » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:46 am

Have some of both, so people can wear what they want... remember MMORPG = Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls.
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Post » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:08 pm

Have some of both, so people can wear what they want... remember MMORPG = Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls.

Err yeah, does seem to be the men here trying to dictate what the female characters should or should not wear. Oddly enough the guys are asking us to cover up more :blink:
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