Are you insane? You really think people are going to pay 64$ then a subscription fee and then on top of that Xbox live gold or PlayStation plus? Why not use the free to play model? Look at what it did for games like world of tanks and f2p online guild wars? You're going to lose so many players for this stupid mistake and I hate that.

the developers worked very hard and they diserve good pay for elderscrolls ..

they also (from what ive heard) have people invested stock and money into their mmo ... those people want their money and I don't blame them

Yes many many people will, don't like it? Don't play it, nothing forcing you to..

And another thread of the same subject. The game can not be F2P and be a serious pvp mmo. World of Tanks is a pay to win mmo, the more money you pump into it the easier it is to win. DDO the more money you pump into it the more dungeons you can go into and buy new pets and costumes. In the end you will spend more than $15 a month or what ever it is if the game was F2P.

Yes.

I fully intend to play this game, and love the fact that it is sub model.

does any one honestly want to play a game that's worked on atleast weekly? or even better yet, "daily" with a support team and maintenance and new content every 4- 6 weeks with out paying for that stuff?

really?

I would pay it and I would easy pay more than 15 a month for it. It is so cheap and from experience I spend more on F2P games. No matter what they can't satisfy everyone. They are going subscription and that likely isn't going to change. Everyone now days wants things for free, they have to make money too and in game shop goes way against ES as does the subscription but locking out the content as mentioned in the Q/A is the main reason they went sub.

Also as noted in the article the customer service is supposed to be Premium and the only other game that used to have great customer service was Rift when it was P2P but now that its F2P its gotten a lot worse.

Buy a PC, cheaper gaming....don't have to worry about that extra payment for Live.

I have no problem paying a sub. I just hope that the item spiral isn't to steep ones you got max gear.

It's one of the worst ways to keep players playing your game, that's why I hope that you can take a break for a few weeks without having to invest a huge amount of time to get back up.

My friend, it's still possible even in this day and age to run a successful Pay to Play. SWTOR did not fail because of the business model. It's transition to F2P was not a result of it's business model. That whole process was EA's fault. Take (un-moderated) corporate interests out of the equation and you can run a more successful game.

Free to Play, buy to play and hybrids are often more profitable than subscription. They just get money via micro transactions. The end product is worse with F2P because of content restrictions for the F2P'ers and make subscription players unbalanced without adding to the game.

That said, there are a lot of folks like you out there. They make still compromise like Guild Wars 2 has done.

Well I have for the last 3 Elder Scrolls games - the only difference is that the support team and maintenance and new content was created by unpaid modders

So now with ESO I get to pay for my mods.... hmmmm

You can make money with free to play model. More money actually than pay to play. Don't worry, if there is a subscription me and millions other like me won't pick this game up. We'll be too busy playing grand theft auto online for free.

The decision to play on a console carries the cost of LIVE/PSN, regardless of what Zenimax decides to do with ESO. If they had announced B2P, console players would still be paying out money every month. Zenimax will not see a dime of those membership costs, it all goes to Sony/Microsoft. Memberships for those services are part of the cost of platform choice.

To be more accurate about the invested money, the funding for ZOS (and thus ESO) was secured by selling $300 million in stock back in 2007. Those investors have been seeing returns on their investment for years now (and were happy enough with their returns that in 2010, the same investment firm bought another $150 million in stock). That doesn't mean they don't want to make the money spent back, because hey, that's what businesses do--They try to make more money.

I wonder how many of you smoke or drink and then wonder how much money you spend each week to fuel that habit. When you look at the bigger picture ￡14 a month is not that much stop whining.

Oh..."Millions" you say, huh? Well that would svck, if that's true then the game will fail and go the F2P route

Can you F2P lovers stop with these threads already?

I too.. Think the sub plan is best.

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Damn right millions. Forty million people on Xbox alone. If their is a free alternative mmo that you pay for once, and you foolishly decide to be greedy without thought than you deserve to lose millions. The business model returns speak for themselves for free to play. World of tanks has over forty million users on pc alone. Soon they'll be on console's. Grand theft auto will be on all of them. You are defending a dead horse. Pay to play failed. Move on. This isn't a Damn magazine.

Expect to see hundreds of threads like this as outraged fans hope they will come to there senses and realize the public doesn't want pay to play.

Right, that's the only difference. Besides the fact that it's a MMO with thousends of other real humans, contains the whole continent tamriel with different styled areas to revisit, will have constantly updating content, has a PvP-System, ...

No you're right. It's exactly the same. Those Zenimax-guys are really stupid...

Don't do that; editing quotes with flame-bait is a bad idea.

Im glad I am being offered the opportunity to play a premium game where im not being manipulated into making microtansactions to enjoy the full experience.

Preach it soul brother.

They'll definitely lose players. Not everyone is into the sub model. But it might not be a mistake. How many players they get isn't what counts. What matters is how much money they make.

Every four months that a subscriber sticks with ESO is the equivalent of one extra sale under a B2P model.

I would have thought a GW2 style B2P model would have worked better. Skyrim made mountains of money without a subscription and you have to wonder how many of those millions of players might be turned off by this. But maybe they've conducted surveys, crunched the numbers and their projections show more profit with a subscription.

Personally I don't mind paying a subscription and much prefer laying down a set amount of money each month rather than dealing with a cash shop.

Yep. I am going to play like a [censored] and I love the subscription. Great job on Zenimax's part. I'm sorry you don't feel the same and I wish you to perhaps change your mind and give it a try when it launches, but if you really refuse then...

Don't forget to hit the big red X on your way out.