Sue Happy Culture

Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:00 pm

At worst, Tropicana should be fined and or punished for false advertising, and this chick doesn't deserve a dime. It honestly makes me ashamed to call myself American and have to share it with a generation of over pampered, sue happy, and overly politically correct people. Seriously, just because a juice might have 1% difference it's causing you some sort of 'mental and or emotional pain' or some other nonsense. I'm so sick these things. These kind of people are what is wrong with America today. :sadvaultboy:
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Louise Lowe
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 2:04 pm

It's not irrelevant. If someone sues a company for something so miniscule as a 1 or 2% difference it's pathetic. False advertising, but still pathetic.

Secondly, so many articles on americans suing companies or other people, winning the case, and getting exorbitant amounts of money in return that I would not be surprised if this where the case.

It's about a sue happy culture, so, it's relevant.
Given that juice is like 95% water anyway, I think tiny percentages ARE what makes the big difference...

And as I've said, most of those articles/anecdotes about people suing and getting ridiculous amounts of money are either only part of the story, or they're made up.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:58 am

And as I've said, most of those articles/anecdotes about people suing and getting ridiculous amounts of money are either only part of the story, or they're made up.
You'd be surprised. There's a saying that if there's a warning on something, people were dumb enough to not use common sense. (Forks in toasters, fast food shops with 'warning, coffee is hot! coasters, et cetera)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:45 pm

And as I've said, most of those articles/anecdotes about people suing and getting ridiculous amounts of money are either only part of the story, or they're made up.

Or some wierd marketing ploy just so the company can get attention.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:33 am

You'd be surprised. There's a saying that if there's a warning on something, people were dumb enough to not use common sense. (Forks in toasters, fast food shops with 'warning, coffee is hot! coasters, et cetera)
Ah, I'm glad you mentioned the old "coffee may be hot" thing. It means I can post http://www.caoc.com/CA/index.cfm?event=showPage&pg=facts.

It's all very well throwing around sayings and anecdotes and "well everybody knows..." but actually you often find that if you look into the facts before jumping to conclusions that you'll be the one who's surprised. So I'll also give you http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp, which is a good article from a great website that more people need to spend more time reading.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:19 pm

It's 100% real juice. The only thing Tropicana replaces is the aroma and flavor. Both of those things are lost in storage.

Nothing is removed from the juice when it's stored, the aroma and flavor is lost while in storage because the oxygen is removed from the tank so the juice will "keep" for a year or more.

Didn't you read my post? They replace the flavor with additives that mimic the taste of freshly squeezed orange juice. The additives begin as orange juice byproducts but they're chemically altered before they're added back to the juice.

You'd be surprised. There's a saying that if there's a warning on something, people were dumb enough to not use common sense. (Forks in toasters, fast food shops with 'warning, coffee is hot! coasters, et cetera)

The "hot coffee" case is mostly media inspired myth. There was actually a good documentary done on it. McDonalds sold their coffee at a dangerously hot temperature - hotter than any other chain. They'd had repeated complaints of people burning themselves because the lids were flimsy, and the coffee was scalding.

Not saying she was entitled to what she got (which hasn't been disclosed) but she didn't win because she didn't know the coffee was hot :smile:


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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:04 am

What is juice? A MISERIBLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS....!

I chuckled.

At the tooth pulling thing, I don't see how that is sue happy. He was forced to pull his own rotten tooth out without tools because he was denied treatment. You should be pissed off that the jail/prison system for costing you that money.

At the orange juice thing, saying something is 100% orange juice in a commercial wouldn't be a problem, but I think once you put in on the actual box, if it doesn't actually have 100% orange juice, that's when you run into problems, because the box is supposed to be factually accurate.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:05 am

I'm pretty sure Tropicana is in the clear. For example, I go to McDonalds, their burgers "contain 100% real beef". At first glance, one might think that the burgers are only beef. Thats a lie, sure, it contains 100% real beef, but there is much more crap than only beef.

If what I assume is correct, Tropicana is saying that it contains 100% real juice, which is true, but there is more.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:05 pm

I'm pretty sure Tropicana is in the clear. For example, I go to McDonalds, their burgers "contain 100% real beef". At first glance, one might think that the burgers are only beef. Thats a lie, sure, it contains 100% real beef, but there is much more crap than only beef.

If what I assume is correct, Tropicana is saying that it contains 100% real juice, which is true, but there is more.

Aren't both being rather deceptive, though? They may get away with it by expensive lawyers finding them legal loopholes, but it does seem that they're not exactly complying with the spirit of the law.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:27 pm

Ah, I'm glad you mentioned the old "coffee may be hot" thing. It means I can post http://www.caoc.com/CA/index.cfm?event=showPage&pg=facts.

It's all very well throwing around sayings and anecdotes and "well everybody knows..." but actually you often find that if you look into the facts before jumping to conclusions that you'll be the one who's surprised. So I'll also give you http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp, which is a good article from a great website that more people need to spend more time reading.
I'm still not impressed. The point is, coffee is hot. If you're upset you're burned by coffee, you deserved it, because chances are, you'll get pissy when you do it again. I wasnt referring to that case explicity. But the in general warning coffee cups of stores. If you have to warn people that coffee is hot just so you can cover yourself legally, you know your society is going down the drain. Coffee is hot, water is wet, snow is cold, and fish are scaley. It's common sense. Trump it up as much as you like, but there is a good deal of 'no common sense for me!'

@Vometia- Meh, I don't care if something is 100% anything. As long as it does it's function, doesnt taste like garbage, and I dont get sick, I just scoff at the '100% ___'
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:58 pm

I'm pretty sure Tropicana is in the clear. For example, I go to McDonalds, their burgers "contain 100% real beef". At first glance, one might think that the burgers are only beef. Thats a lie, sure, it contains 100% real beef, but there is much more crap than only beef.

If what I assume is correct, Tropicana is saying that it contains 100% real juice, which is true, but there is more.
The difference is that McDonalds claim that their burgers contain 100% real beef, whereas Tropicana claims that it's juice is 100% orange juice.

Ever made burgers at home? There's more ingredients than just beef in a burger, a quick recipe search reveals a pretty standard ingredients list which includes: beef mince, coriander, onion, mustard, egg, olive oil and salt and pepper. So McDonald's claim obviously is nothing like that their burgers are 100% beef, because if they were they'd fall apart. Claiming that the burgers contain "100% real beef" is just making the claim that none of the meat in the burger is weird reconstituted stuff like eyeballs or testicles.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:26 pm

@Vometia- Meh, I don't care if something is 100% anything. As long as it does it's function, doesnt taste like garbage, and I dont get sick, I just scoff at the '100% ___'

In general I might agree, but with things like water, I'm quite sensitive to the differences in taste. Especially as we're customers of Thames Water, whose water tastes vile: we actually have to drink bottled water instead. Some fruit juices that are made from concentrate taste weird: I'm not sure if it's the type of water or something else they've done to it, but I think I'd be miffed if it was virtually impossible to tell which type I was buying.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:16 am

I'm still not impressed. The point is, coffee is hot. If you're upset you're burned by coffee, you deserved it, because chances are, you'll get pissy when you do it again. I wasnt referring to that case explicity. But the in general warning coffee cups of stores. If you have to warn people that coffee is hot just so you can cover yourself legally, you know your society is going down the drain. Coffee is hot, water is wet, snow is cold, and fish are scaley. It's common sense. Trump it up as much as you like, but there is a good deal of 'no common sense for me!'

@Vometia- Meh, I don't care if something is 100% anything. As long as it does it's function, doesnt taste like garbage, and I dont get sick, I just scoff at the '100% ___'

If you slipped on someone's driveway during the winter (b/c they didn't bother to clear it of ice) and cracked your skull open, would you take a "oh well, ice is slippery" attitude toward your medical bills? Would you tell your insurance company not to sue the driveway's owner and that you'd cover the cost yourself? I kind of doubt it. What if you totaled your car on a pothole? Would you tell AllState not to sue the township and that you're willing to pay out of pocket for a new car?
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:38 pm

I'm still not impressed. The point is, coffee is hot. If you're upset you're burned by coffee, you deserved it, because chances are, you'll get pissy when you do it again. I wasnt referring to that case explicity. But the in general warning coffee cups of stores. If you have to warn people that coffee is hot just so you can cover yourself legally, you know your society is going down the drain.
To be honest, it's hard to find information online on exactly why companies stick those warning labels on their products, especially some of the stupider ones. But I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that it's "because otherwise they'll get sued" unless you can conceivably give me some genuine examples of companies getting sued for not having warning labels on their products. Your move.
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If you slipped on someone's driveway during the winter (b/c they didn't bother to clear it of ice) and cracked your skull open, would you take a "oh well, ice is slippery" attitude toward your medical bills? Would you tell your insurance company not to sue the driveway's owner and that you'd cover the cost yourself?

No snow. And, free healthcare.

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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 12:00 pm

No snow. And, free healthcare.


And that's why the US has so many more lawsuits. (Not trying to be political - that's just how our system assigns those medical costs) "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_economics"
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:29 pm

Umm...I'm pretty sure it says 100% juice from CONCENTRATE right on the carton. Which is an indicator that it's not 100% juice. It's mostly water, from the source that the juice is made. Which means, it's FROZEN orange "stuff" that is reduced in volume.

If I were Tropicanas' lawyers I'd bring a carton to court and go, "SEE YOUR HONOR, IT SAYS '100% PURE ORANGE JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE'." then I'd have the definition of "From Concentrate too.

This woman can't be for real, how can she expect it to be pure juice? Does she not realize that not all of Tropicana's orange juice comes from the Florida groves? So, it has to be "frozen" in order to keep in the belly of a boat or truck coming up from Brazil.

This woman needs to be drawn and quartered.

Obviously people sueing are usually trying to get a monetary gain back but in her defence these are the things that should be addressed. That companies huge as Tropicana can sell sugary artificial water or as this juice is made and sell it off like it was freshly squeezed. This isn't a big offender, at least this juice is using frozen juice and not mosty chemicals ATLEAST if I believe your post and the facts you got across.

Still it's getting out of hand and this all aids to America's health decline as kids merely go, "But it's food for you!"
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:07 pm

If you slipped on someone's driveway during the winter (b/c they didn't bother to clear it of ice) and cracked your skull open, would you take a "oh well, ice is slippery" attitude toward your medical bills? Would you tell your insurance company not to sue the driveway's owner and that you'd cover the cost yourself? I kind of doubt it. What if you totaled your car on a pothole? Would you tell AllState not to sue the township and that you're willing to pay out of pocket for a new car?
A. Chances of ice are few and far between here.
B. I'd svck it up and pay the bills for my carelessness if I slipped.
C. I'd still be at fault for being dumb enough to go driving into a hole in the road.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:34 am

A. Chances of ice are few and far between here.
B. I'd svck it up and pay the bills for my carelessness if I slipped.
C. I'd still be at fault for being dumb enough to go driving into a hole in the road.

Why would you want to bear the cost of other people's negligence? Can I sell you some insurance :biggrin:

Also, if we followed your logic, no one would bother to clear their sidewalks, and townships would have no incentive to fix their roads. The reason you can sue people for those things is because it encourages everyone to fix hazards under their control. Like giving McDonalds an incentive not to sell boiling hot coffee in flimsy, leaky cups. My landlord replaces the light bulbs in the stairwell because if he didn't, and I fell, I could sue him. It's an incentive to fix things and ensure they're safe.

You probably don't have a lot of experience with this since your state doesn't constantly freeze and thaw, but I challenge you to pick out a pothole at night on a dark, windy country road.
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If you slipped on someone's driveway during the winter (b/c they didn't bother to clear it of ice) and cracked your skull open, would you take a "oh well, ice is slippery" attitude toward your medical bills? Would you tell your insurance company not to sue the driveway's owner and that you'd cover the cost yourself? I kind of doubt it. What if you totaled your car on a pothole? Would you tell AllState not to sue the township and that you're willing to pay out of pocket for a new car?
That's one reason why liability insurance exists.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 2:23 pm

We used to challenge people to a duel. Now we hire lawyers to duel for us. :dry: Where is the fun in that?...
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We used to challenge people to a duel. Now we hire lawyers to duel for us. :dry: Where is the fun in that?...
Pretend its a Pokemon battle.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 4:37 am

That's one reason why liability insurance exists.

It's a homeowner's duty (or landlord's) to make sure that the sidewalk for that property is cleaned off to a reasonable level, otherwise that person could be liable for anyone injured on that sidewalk due to those unsafe conditions, especially making sure the sidewalk is clean enough for people with a handicap of some sort. This doesn't really apply in places that don't get snow, though. Same principle with potholes. It's the city's responsibility to make sure the roads are even enough that people can drive on them without fear of hitting a pothole and ruining their car, which they pay for in the form of taxes to make sure the roads are well-maintained.

It's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper for everyone in society to make sure injuries don't happen in the first place, rather than rely on insurance to quickly fix any damages done which could have been prevented with some common sense and initiative.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:23 am

It's not irrelevant. If someone sues a company for something so miniscule as a 1 or 2% difference it's pathetic. False advertising, but still pathetic. Secondly, so many articles on americans suing companies or other people, winning the case, and getting exorbitant amounts of money in return that I would not be surprised if this where the case. It's about a sue happy culture, so, it's relevant.
theres a reason that anti-bacterial companies won't claim their product kills 100% of bacteria, and it's because they don't want to be accused of false advertising from rounding up from 99.9%
if tropicana would have said 99.9% pure orange juice then there wouldn't be a lawsuit
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:15 am


Pretend its a Pokemon battle.

PROSECUTOR uses OBJECTION.
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