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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:06 am

Anyone else annoyed lately with the sheer amount of idiocy and people wanting to sue others?

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2012/january/374268/California-mom-suing-Bradentons-Tropicana-over-100-percent-orange-juice-claim

Worst article i've read so far is a jerk in jail for DWI that pulled his own tooth in solitary confinement. His lawyers actually won the case and he was awarded $22 million for his "undue pain" caused by himself. Anymore it seems the honest people get screwed while the criminals get away with everything.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:39 am

That particular brand of idiocy has been going on for decades now. Nothing new under the sun. It's all part of the "I am not responsible for my own actions" pathos that now pervades the US.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:52 pm

I don't really know the details behind her case, but I dont see anything wrong with suing a food manufacturer for lying about what goes in their food. If it turns out Tropicana isn't 100% orange juice then this isn't a frivolous lawsuit...

Actually, there's usually a bigger, more rounded story in all of these sorts of news items. Especially when they're passed on by anecdote.

EDIT: And the ones which are totally ridiculous usually end with "The judge threw out the case at first hearing..."
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:01 am

That particular brand of idiocy has been going on for decades now. Nothing new under the sun. It's all part of the "I am not responsible for my own actions" pathos that now pervades the US.
What HeyYou says..

Good to have you back among us regular shmoo's.. :)
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Umm...I'm pretty sure it says 100% juice from CONCENTRATE right on the carton. Which is an indicator that it's not 100% juice. It's mostly water, from the source that the juice is made. Which means, it's FROZEN orange "stuff" that is reduced in volume.

If I were Tropicanas' lawyers I'd bring a carton to court and go, "SEE YOUR HONOR, IT SAYS '100% PURE ORANGE JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE'." then I'd have the definition of "From Concentrate too.

This woman can't be for real, how can she expect it to be pure juice? Does she not realize that not all of Tropicana's orange juice comes from the Florida groves? So, it has to be "frozen" in order to keep in the belly of a boat or truck coming up from Brazil.

This woman needs to be drawn and quartered.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:58 am

What is any juice though, but mostly water?
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Katy Hogben
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:44 am

Okay, I found a news article about the incident you mentioned in the first post too: http://news.yahoo.com/nm-man-pulled-own-tooth-jail-awarded-22m-224826036.html.

Here's some key phrases from it:
"He ended up in solitary confinement because he was suffering from depression and someone checked a box on a form indicating he was suicidal"
"his client wrote letters for months seeking help, but they were ignored."
"He sends off another letter at this point asking for medical care. ... He is forced to pull his own tooth." (in case that isn't clear: he pulled his tooth out because there was something wrong with it and he had been refused dental care, not because he wanted to get some free money)
"Slevin was finally released in June 2007 ... He was never convicted."

And you're suggesting that his being awarded damages was unjustified? What [censored] planet do you come from if you think that a man who was locked in solitary confinement for two years without trial and refused medical treatment doesn't deserve to be compensated?

Get your facts straight next time.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:02 am

Umm...I'm pretty sure it says 100% juice from CONCENTRATE right on the carton. Which is an indicator that it's not 100% juice. It's mostly water, from the source that the juice is made. Which means, it's FROZEN orange "stuff" that is reduced in volume.

If I were Tropicanas' lawyers I'd bring a carton to court and go, "SEE YOUR HONOR, IT SAYS '100% PURE ORANGE JUICE FROM CONCENTRATE'." then I'd have the definition of "From Concentrate too.

This woman can't be for real, how can she expect it to be pure juice? Does she not realize that not all of Tropicana's orange juice comes from the Florida groves? So, it has to be "frozen" in order to keep in the belly of a boat or truck coming up from Brazil.

This woman needs to be drawn and quartered.

It says "Tropicana 100% pure and natural orange juice - never from concentrate" on the carton, so I'd like to see you make that argument :wink:

http://www.tropicana.com/

The article doesn't say what else she claims is in it.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:03 pm

http://www.bradenton.com/2012/01/26/3821769/tropicanas-parent-pepsico-sued.html another article on the Tropicana case. It doesn't revolve around the fact that the juice is from concentrate, it revolves around the fact that it has added flavourings and aromas. Which is something completely different.

Also worth noting: "There is no formal definition by the Food and Drug Administration of what “all natural” means, Woods said, which has caused ambiguity and the suits trying to fill that void."

Civil law exists for precicely this reason; to clarify issues where the legislature is vague. I really don't see the problem with this case
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 2:53 pm

It says "Tropicana 100% pure and natural orange juice - never from concentrate" on the carton, so I'd like to see you make that argument :wink:

http://www.tropicana.com/

The article doesn't say what else she claims is in it.

Once the juice is squeezed and stored in gigantic vats, they start removing oxygen. Why? Because removing oxygen from the juice allows the liquid to keep for up to a year without spoiling. But! Removing that oxygen also removes the natural flavors of oranges. Yeah, it's all backwards. So in order to have OJ actually taste like oranges, drink companies hire flavor and fragrance companies, the same ones that make perfumes for Dior, to create these "flavor packs" to make juice taste like, well, juice again.

Dear Ms. Polis,

On behalf of the Florida Department of Citrus, I am writing in response to the article on HuffPost Food, entitled "Why 100% Orange Juice is Still Artificial." Please allow me to share further information.

Purchased by nearly 70 percent of American households, people choose 100 percent orange juice for its great taste and nutrition benefits. Both "from concentrate" and "not from concentrate" orange juice are healthy options that provide a variety of nutrients. By utilizing state-of-the-art technology, Florida is able to provide a consistent supply of high quality, nutritious orange juice year round.

By law, 100 percent orange juice is made only from oranges. The basic principle of orange juice processing is similar to how you make orange juice at home. Oranges are washed and the juice is extracted by squeezing the oranges. Seeds and particles are strained out. Orange juice is pasteurized to ensure food safety.

During processing, natural components such as orange aroma, orange oil from the peel, and pulp may be separated from the orange juice. After the juice is pasteurized, these natural orange components may be added back to the orange juice for optimal flavor.

Please visit www.OrangeJuiceFacts.com for more information about orange juice.

Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss in more detail. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Karen Mathis

Check. Mate.

I looked this Karen Mathis person up and yes, she really is the director. So, in a court of law, the idiot who is suing Tropicana realistically does not have a case. But, then again she'll probably win based off of false advertising or something.

EDIT*

Damn, I got ninja'd by MutantPenguin. I believe his link is to the article that I was referencing as well. But I didn't post the link because I forgot to. I'm at work.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 pm

Check. Mate.

I'm scratching my head. Both the huff post article and the response state that they're adding flavor packets to the OJ. The packets include things like ethyl butrate. http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/. They aren't labeled as ingredients - even though they're added to the juice. Thus, the juice isn't 100% natural by a common understanding of the term - even if it wouldn't taste as good if it was. And yeah, her claim was always that it was false advertising, so that response merely goes to further her case. :shrug:
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:42 am

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42011/700-billion-dollar-bank-bailout-was-secretly-7-trillion571/
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:13 pm

I'm scratching my head. Both the huff post article and the response state that they're adding flavor packets to the OJ. The packets include things like ethyl butrate. http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/. They aren't labeled as ingredients - even though they're added to the juice. Thus, the juice isn't 100% natural by a common understanding of the term - even if it wouldn't taste as good if it was. And yeah, her claim was always that it was false advertising, so that response merely goes to further her case. :shrug:

The charge of false advertising seems fair enough. As much as I dislike vexatious lawsuits, this doesn't seem to be one and I'm not sure I see what's the problem with this case.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:10 am

In Britain it's not so bad. There had been an increase in this sort of stuff after the introduction of "No win no fee" legal counsel, but the courts have started to be more strict with frivolous claims. Added to which we've never had the ridiculous sums of money that are claimed in some of these US cases. Unless you got somehow crippled by the drink, don't expect to be refunded more than the cost of the drink itself.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:10 pm

I'm scratching my head. Both the huff post article and the response state that they're adding flavor packets to the OJ. The packets include things like ethyl butrate. http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/. They aren't labeled as ingredients - even though they're added to the juice. Thus, the juice isn't 100% natural by a common understanding of the term - even if it wouldn't taste as good if it was. And yeah, her claim was always that it was false advertising, so that response merely goes to further her case. :shrug:

They aren't adding anything though. They are "replacing" what was lost when the oxygen is removed from the storage tanks. So, technically it's still "Not from Concentrate". They have to put the nutrients and stuff back into the OJ that was lost when it was stored.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 4:36 am

At first I though this thread was going to be about sueing optimists and the general idea of promoting happiness. Now that I see it's not, well, you've lost my support.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:14 am

I've read the article twice and I can't seem to find any actual figures. How much real % of it is orange juice?

Probably something like 98% and this [censored] wants millions of dollars in compensation.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:27 am

Seems like a legit claim. I've seen some articles debunking Tropicana as "pure" orange juice. How legit those are is another matter. Also for the record a comapny who tries to lable things differently to hide the content of the food can actually cause severe pain in people. This one brand of food claims to have no wheat/gluten in it. I ate it, and oh boy did I suffer for an entire day. Looking over the lable it WAS labled, but in some rediculous science phrase of questioable accuracy. I only have an intollerance, I can't imagine what would have happened to someone with an alergy to it.

There's also the odd case out there with people who are intolerant/alergic to obscure things like flavourings ect. So while she may be doing it out of greed, there could very well be legitimacy behind it.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 2:57 pm

It's 100% real juice. The only thing Tropicana replaces is the aroma and flavor. Both of those things are lost in storage.

Nothing is removed from the juice when it's stored, the aroma and flavor is lost while in storage because the oxygen is removed from the tank so the juice will "keep" for a year or more.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 3:56 am

Probably something like 98% and this [censored] wants millions of dollars in compensation.
Firstly, it's irrelevant what percentage it is - this is a question of whether or not it was false advertising; that is, of whether or not they were telling the truth. 98% compared to 100% isn't "sort of true", it's false...

Secondly, the article says that a figure hasn't been decided on yet, but seeing as it's a class action I doubt she will be aiming for (or likely to get) "millions of dollars" and making assumptions based on vague ideas you got from the general feeling of the Internet is just daft.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:38 am

I just fresh squeeze it with oranges I pick from the tree in my back yard. Problem solved. :D
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:34 am

What is any juice though, but mostly water?

What is juice? A MISERIBLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS....!
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:20 pm

I have seen alot worse sueing and "accusations", but I do agree with you guys.

How did the song go?

"Money money money money mooneehh. MONEY!"
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:05 pm

People will do anything for money.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 12:10 pm

Firstly, it's irrelevant what percentage it is - this is a question of whether or not it was false advertising; that is, of whether or not they were telling the truth. 98% compared to 100% isn't "sort of true", it's false...

Secondly, the article says that a figure hasn't been decided on yet, but seeing as it's a class action I doubt she will be aiming for (or likely to get) "millions of dollars" and making assumptions based on vague ideas you got from the general feeling of the Internet is just daft.

It's not irrelevant. If someone sues a company for something so miniscule as a 1 or 2% difference it's pathetic. False advertising, but still pathetic.

Secondly, so many articles on americans suing companies or other people, winning the case, and getting exorbitant amounts of money in return that I would not be surprised if this where the case.

It's about a sue happy culture, so, it's relevant.
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