This is just insanity...

You removed so much to fit on a console system, but the console-grade GUI you made RUINS EVERYTHING !!!

I paid €50 ($68) for a pc game, You sold me a crap console game, I feel fooled, really, and just because of the interface:

-So bland, ugly depressing black n' gray n' white menus, it ruins the epic dimension, fonts does not reflect ancient epic stories, it just remind me clouds, rain, clouds, depress, a bullet in my head
-Useless (for pc) key shortcuts in menus, better should have worked on the mouse (mouse is great you know, more: every pc have one!)
-In 20 hours of game I spent more time dealing with the menus than playing (almost no game fun at all)
-Navigation is totally absurd: binds different depending on the context, some bind changes not reflected in GUI (E,R,F), in the TAB menu magic is on left & inventory is on right but panels are inverted
-Can't switch between inventory and spells directly so returning even briefly in the game while fighting means a round loss
-Absolutely no kind of global view
-Inconsistent ergonomics (sometimes click, sometimes list, sometimes graphical, sometimes browse with keys, on the left, on the right, schizophrenic navigation)
-Help written in 15 mins (i searched with no luck for magic stones, races, ...)
-Buggy mouse actions on menu items (clics must sometimes be done twice, often no highlighting menus, exits of the shop dialog)
-Menus overlaps each other
-Unending unintuitive lists with no icons, with arbitrary imposed alphabetical order (requires at least 10 seconds to find every item)
-Items lists beginning at the half of the screen requiring constant scrolling, and reading, and more scrolling, and scrolling again, and reading, and even more scrolling
-No item characteristics (1hand, 2hands, stolen or not,...)
- Sicknesses are just hidden to the player, so are the levelups
-The "favorite" bar is just a joke, unreadable, you even have to scroll your entire inventory hoping to find that item you don't want anymore in favs
-No bottom quickbar, no drag n'drop of items on it (could even be hidden to preserve immersion)
-With the 1-8 shorcuts (not even talking about missing 9 and 0), switching between shield(1)+fire(2) and shield(1)+heal(3) must be done with 3-3-1, what a shortcut, yay! and sometimes it even doesn't work
-Switching between spells is such a pain that I almost do not change of spell anymore
-No character sheet (you know, the one sheet that rpg players like when they're doing rpg stuff, and that should make the difference between mario kart and TES)
-Did any of the developers even navigated in the magic section? it drives me nuts, designed to despair
-Redundant spells & skills abilities... Yeaaaah! 5 archery upgrades with no changes but a damage bonus, are you jocking?

I did not deserved this fate I swear!
Do you hate personal computers? Do you hate us? Are we doomed? Cursed? Punished? At war? Invaded by consoles? Under a mass pc genocide planification? Is it HELL?
Or do you need help? Are you kept prisonners by console conspirators? Are you missing money for some decent game rigs? Do you have keyboards? maybe mouses???
Don't let the modders do YOUR work (for which we paid... do you plan to pay them?)

I waited 3 years for this game, the 11-11-11 was a reserved zone, I was quite hugely disappointed.
I will have to wait even more for a mod that makes this game playable on a pc (could I even dream of an official GUI total redesign?)

So, so, so disappointed uh

Sounds like you are a disappointed customer. Why not try to get your money back?
As for myself, I am enjoying this game immensely. It is a masterpiece. And as the modders tear into it over the next few years, the game is going to deliver me so much entertainment that these minor launch issues will be but a pale memory.

Where's the grand champion when you need him, by Azura!

The UI for PC is horrendous.

The gameplay for PC is still pretty damn epic and fun (at least when you're not navigating the UI).

It kind of evens out like that... Too bad Bethesda couldn't be bothered to create a useful and intuitive UI for the PC.

Having said that though... of all the things they could have butchered, the UI is one that can be awful while still letting me enjoy the game, so I'm not *too* peeved about it.

One thing I will say is that when navigating the Perks Menu it has a nasty habit of sending me flying off to another perk tree entirely - when I'm just trying to get to another perk within a particular tree. That could definitely be improved on, and I'm assuming it's not intentional.

There is a weird thing with mouse movement, where there appears to be a slight lag time.

There's also a strange issue with clicking some options in some menus where it either causes you to exit out of the menus entirely or selects an option one or two options above or below where you clicked. It's really quite strange.

Again though, all of this seems unintentional. It's not bad, I just imagine it's stuff we should report and that they'll fix. Every PC game has bugs, and even consoles games these days have bugs and glitches that need patched out.

Agree with this and maybe just maybe Bethesda will bring a patch out for us PC users

There is no money back with a Steam release
I don't want my money back, I love the universe (I always have, im a big fan of TES, It is only a matter of GUI
The GUI choice, I just don't get it, it represents just 2 weeks of work with a good team to develop an interface adapted to a pc

Yes. And what is worse it's flash-based, so even modders have a tough time altering it. On the positive side, DarN has returned

Every game has a learning curve. You'll get used to this stuff in a week and not even notice it.

There's no "getting used to" the UI completely ignoring my mouse clicks.

There's no "getting used to" the UI interpretting my mouse clicks as a selection completely different than where my mouse is pointed. (for instance, i've "accidentally" told my companion that we should part ways at *least* 5 times from trying to trade with her (trade is the selection directly above "get lost").

It's not a learning curve issue... it's a horrible UI that needs to be fixed issue.

some of your complaints are founded others are just personal imo, how is taking so long to navigate or find things its all broken up easily. your a touch sensitive if its ruined your game...

Is something wrong with me? I feel that i am the only PC gamer who thinks that bad UI doesnt mean that a game is cosnole[censored].

agree on UI is rather crappy, annoying that nothing show you struck by disease or when poison is run out or when buff runs out then go into the damn menu but to the modders can break into it and patches come I suggest just adapt to WASD controls

Redundant spells & skills abilities... Yeaaaah! 5 archery upgrades with no changes but a damage bonus, are you jocking?
what...do you expect from a archery upgrades? if you want spell effect use enchanting

OP instead of whining you could have googled for solutions to some of your problems. By the sound of it I bet you haven't unchecked the xbox controller in gameplay settings menu? Also there are is a list of tweaks that are easly done and help with coursor behavior among other things - http://segmentnext.com/2011/11/11/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-tweak-guide-graphics-and-performance/. It helped me so it will most likely help you, no more frustration navigating through menus!

Regarding key binding all I can say is wait for Bethesda to release a patch. Or you could get Logitech G13 which is what I use for every game ever since I bought it. It allows you to bind keys and set macros the way you see fit.

But above all stop whining and enjoy this amazing game. And try to help yourself by using google next time it would take less time than it did to write this stupid list of complaints Bethesda already knows about. If I had time to play now I would never bother replying to your lazy ass.

Wow... thanks for bring up the 360 controller thing. I dunno if it'll fix any of the issues i've been having but I hope so.

I will say this though... having the control for PC USERS default to an accessory that MOST PC USERS DON'T HAVE was a pretty idiotic move on Bethesdas part. If that toggle does indeed fix any of these issues, they could have avoided a whole lot of bad press simply by changing the default toggle state of an option...

Haven't noticed any problems for the PC UI. Everything about all of this is overblown imho. The skills trees freaking out? Use WASD, solved! And it's faster to navigate that way even if the mouse controls worked perfectly. sluggish mouse movement? I haven't felt this at all, It did feel slow but that was quickly fixed by turning up my sensitivity.

Of course, I fully agree with the first post. This is not about whining. The UI is the most essential thing needed for a succesful RPG. Like in my other thread, the UI is an insult to PC gamers everywhere. I blame Bethesda for rushing this game to meet their own "mystic" deadline. Now I can only hope they are working very hard on an actual interface for PC owners. Because as it is...there is no interface I can see. It does in no way let me interface truly with the game. It is the biggest mess ever seen. I'm sure there is much enjoyment in the game, but if this interface doesn't stop annoying me, Bethesda has lost one faithful customer for many a year to come. Not that they care, as they also didn't care to put a decent UI in anyway.

I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting on that. As long as Todd considers the XBOX the better platform, we pc users (and ps3) will continue to play second fiddle. In short, our only realistic hope can be found http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1256213-interface-change-pc/.

Sounds like you either have bad sight/can't aim or have some kind of mouse hardware issue. Either way I got used to the gui fine, I actually spend less time equipping stuff now and more into gameplay.

I have to agree about the interface, Had I known this was built as a console game with PC play ability obviously an afterthought they just threw in later, I might have thought more about buying it.

Not one thing in the game is designed in any way to run on a PC using keyboard and mouse. The mouse moves weird feels strange and does not interact with the menus properly, the 1-8 quick key ? 8 ? really ? Keyboards have 1-0 plus the minus and plus key for a total of 12 where on earth did 8 come from ? A quick bar you cannot even see for reference a favorite menu that you muddle through to pick things from. Heck you cannot even save your game and name it so you can save different toons its all saved as the date and time. All this screams console game and so why even release it for PC if nothing is designed to run using keyboard and mouse ? Here you release a epic RPG that does not even take into account the benefits of using keyboard and mouse it is just dumb sorry.

The graphics tho are amazing my computer easily runs everything at max settings and the game play seems good but this was so obviously built as a console game from the ground up with no consideration for PC which is what a RPG really plays well on, Sorry console boys but using a controller with a couple buttons to play a epic role playing game just does not work. It's like playing NHL with a keyboard and mouse you can do it but you loose so much it hardly seems worth it there you need a controller. This game sounded great and has tons of potential now if only they would make it so a PC user can play it on their PC with a keyboard and mouse the game would be amazing.

Playing Skyrim on my PC and using a game controller to interface with the game better then with using my keyboard and mouse is a massive epic fail that really makes PC users angry. I really do wish it was made to play using a keyboard and mouse and honestly you had no business to release it for PC unless you made the PC version optimized for keyboard and mouse play.

What? So I have to spend money on a game AND do Bethesda's job as well ? Looking for work-arounds and fixes? I should not have to fix this in the first place. It seems you have so become used to games being released in a rush, that you forgot to realize a game should be finished as it comes out. Dude, you should not have to fix it from day 1.

Holy crap. So I went into my menu and found the "Xbox 360" controller option. It was unchecked by default for me, not sure why. Anyway I hadn't noticed this option and ANY of the issues people were talking about so I decided to turn it on.

Good lord, now I know what people are talking about. If you thought this was just the UI design I could see why you'd start a riot over it. Key thing here though is it isn't. Just uncheck the box and (almost) every one of your problems will go away with the UI feeling clunky.

Make sure you shift through your options thoroughly before claiming the sky is falling.

What's sad is, if true, not only does Todd think a 7 year old console is preferred over new PC, but he also picked the gimpest console ( not counting the Wii, surprised he didn't jump all over that one ).

hey dude thanks for the advices but have you even read my post? I complain about an user interface design - all tweaks, improvements and tuning have already been made. I work as a developer and creating GUIs is my work, so thank you for your kindness and leave my ass alone
btw if Bethesda needs help in managing ergonomics, they can call me