Yes you have a valid point in that the mouse is far more precise, that doesnt make console users ODD with thier preference, granted you only make a small (DIG ) at the consoles, but its part of a mountain that is Verses wars. I really do wish this could end and all gamers would do whats intended with these variouse platforms, and that is,

PLAY THE DANG GAMES,

I am still looking forward to the release of Crysis 2, but the attitude of some gamers is making online gaming very hard indeed.

Guss
@Guss600
True, very true. So which side are you on? Pc's or Console?

I think that I made my feelings very clear,

I do not take any side, being on side fuels the flames, I love to tinker around with the settings and upgrade as and when I can on my PC, and the controller is a tad on the small side for my hands, so my PC is nothing more than my preference.

That said, I have no problem with the consoles, and at times, do use my Sons eggbox, he dont mind one little bit that I have named his console the Eggbox, its just our humour, and he calls my PC the the Beast, especially when he wants to run through on Crysis.

We are not part of the verses wars, and do not take any side, we are in it for the pleasure of gaming, we both get hours of fun from re-runs and the many new releases. we dont hate noobies we leave that to the same arrogance of a growing number of players, some of who also indulge in the verses wars.

I despair at whats happened to gaming over the last few years, and I must say, this CAN NOT all be blamed on the younger gamers, there are many young gamers out there who like me simply love to game their li'l asses away sometimes through the night.

The general assertion that younger gamers are not seriouse about things is just not true, we can see in many walks of life that the minority spoil things for the many who are seriouse about something, this is not just a gaming thing, even in the case of older gamers, we see the same minority, pushing thier arrogance on others, with thier profound beliefs.

Guss

lol @ Black Angel's question

Great posts Guss

Just add them to your foes list so there messages are blocked by default.

Just add them to your foes list so there messages are blocked by default.

Yes, that is the best way to inhibit mental growth, free thought, and an open mind - block out everything you don't agree with.

The 'foe' list is for people who harass and insult you, not people who just want to have a relevant discussion but happens to have a couple different opinions than you.

Guss: I never said I was against consoles. I have a Wii and PS3... but facts are facts.

A mouse is more accurate than a controller.... is the deal. Never said controllers were bad, never said consoles 'svcked', (which would be odd for me to say, owning a PS3 and Wii) just that if you want more control in your games, you are going to prefer a mouse.

Controller is if you don't care about precision and just want to kick back on a couch.

I would just link to this article: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/crytek_%E2%80%9Cpc_easily_generation_ahead_consoles_right_now%E2%80%9D

In the linked article, the Crytek CEO says that PCs are clearly a generation ahead of consoles...
So I would ask, why not keep it a PC Exclusive...something to make us PC gamers proud....

I agree with Ultimarage: I can't play with two anologs for S-hit (guess I got too used to PSP and PC) xD

lol @ Black Angel's question

Great posts Guss
Returns the $50 to yr paypal account
with thanks and a wry smile lol

Guss

I would just link to this article: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/crytek_%E2%80%9Cpc_easily_generation_ahead_consoles_right_now%E2%80%9D

In the linked article, the Crytek CEO says that PCs are clearly a generation ahead of consoles...
So I would ask, why not keep it a PC Exclusive...something to make us PC gamers proud....

I agree with Ultimarage: I can't play with two anologs for S-hit (guess I got too used to PSP and PC) xD

because more platforms = more money.

If you made an excellent PC game, a true amazing classic, then you could get around 5-7 million sales for the fps genre based on sales of games such as bad company 2 which racked up just shy of 4 million, and to be honest, isn't gods gift to games (although still good).

However releasing on consoles gives you a bigger audience, if you release the game on consoles, then you can triple that number of sales. Although you'd lose about 2 million PC sales, if you sacrifice the PC versions quality (smaller maps ect.) but the gain of 10 million sales on consoles is worth the trade off.

It's not that PC's are financial dead ends, it's that any singular platform, without some sugar daddying from the owner of said platform, is rarely worth releasing a game on if it's feasible to release on others. Plus, more people get to play your game!

If i ran a company and i knew for a fact my game could feasible run on all 3 platforms i would. I'd just make sure each platform gets what i deserves individually too (crytek have done so on the graphics front). Although admittedly 360 = ps3, so meh.

First of all, 360 doesn't equal PS3 (did you hear of the Microsoft Final Fantasy ad that was created with PS3 and banned because it had sharper color? <--it happened in UK but this isn't my argument)
I realize that more consoles = more sales but there are also some really amazing games which were exclusive to one specific console and did amazingly good (think of Halo...it made more money on an exclusive console than any other game)

I realize that more consoles = more sales but there are also some really amazing games which were exclusive to one specific console and did amazingly good (think of Halo...it made more money on an exclusive console than any other game)
And yet BlackOps, which is available on 5 platforms (if you include Wii and DS), holds the record for the "largest entertainment launch" in history. Whilst Halo: Combat Evolved did well in sales, hitting the 5 million mark in 2005, Call of Duty: BlackOps sold 7 million units within the first 24 hours of release.

I play BlackOps on PC all the time, which is strange for me as i don't often enjoy twitch FPS games but i thoroughly enjoy playing BlackOps for just the sheer amount of content that it has. Whilst it had a rocky start with the lag and server browser issues, those issues were sorted quickly and the game is now entirely enjoyable for me. I don't think the fact that it's available on the Wii has effected the game for me in the slightest. The PC controls feel excellent and there's no feel of "console port" in the game at all.

My point is that even though the game is available on multiple platforms, Treyarch have done an excellent job on the PC version (only version i've used) and the fact that it's available on multiple platforms played no ill-effect on the version i wanted. It's all up to the developer, how much quality they wish to put into their title on each and all of the platforms they choose.

Crytek are pushing the visual quality bar on the PS3 and 360 higher than it's been pushed and have stated on multiple occasions that on top of that, the PC version will look the best. In 2004, Crytek came out with FarCry and blew everyone away with one of the first DX9 titles. Then, in 2007, they delivered Crysis and it completely shattered everything on the market as far as visuals were concerned and was again one of the first to utilise the new DX10 API. Crytek have always been on the forefront of technology and i have no doubt that the visuals of Crysis 2 will be the third time Crytek have delivered something that completely blows everyone away, not just on PC but on 360 and PS3

First of all, 360 doesn't equal PS3 (did you hear of the Microsoft Final Fantasy ad that was created with PS3 and banned because it had sharper color? <--it happened in UK but this isn't my argument)
I realize that more consoles = more sales but there are also some really amazing games which were exclusive to one specific console and did amazingly good (think of Halo...it made more money on an exclusive console than any other game)

The differences between the two are tiny compared to PC in multi platform games, so as much as the fanboy war rages on between the two, both are in the same ballpark in terms of graphics. Both are 720p at 30fps with the equivalent of low/medium/high shaders settings for crysis 2

Basically the big things that sets apart consoles is that the ps3 is free to play online and has a blu-ray drive. The ps3 can get more juice squeezed out of it, as games like uncharted 2 show, but even so, it's not that much more powerful than the 360 uncharted 2 still runs 720p/30fps after all ^^

basically, you'll enjoy crysis 2 whatever system you play on in the end. However don't expect the ps3 to look massively better than the xbox, if at all

@ Comfy

I posted a quote from an interview earlier in this thread which confirms the console versions to have the exact same quality when Crysis 2 goes gold.
I have read the intrerview about Mr Yerli talkin about the superiority of modern age Pcs.
I wonder that its only" one Generation" ahead. Talkin about GPUs.. Nvidia released about 3 Generations of their Geforce models after the ps3. For the CPUs the gap must be even bigger.
Even my sidekick PC with his : Geforce 9500GT, Athlon II X4 630 and his 4GB 1066 DDR3 Ram easily beats the Ps3 in every "technical" way. And this machine cost me 280€ (368,518 USD,236,2938 GBP) the PS3 would cost 299 €.
So "purely techical" this Pc is stronger than the Ps3 and less expensive too.

( I wrote "purely techical" because i know that in fact this Pc probably cant deliver a compareable performance as the Ps3.. because of the missing optimization for Pcs.)

Just add them to your foes list so there messages are blocked by default.

Yes, that is the best way to inhibit mental growth, free thought, and an open mind - block out everything you don't agree with.

The 'foe' list is for people who harass and insult you, not people who just want to have a relevant discussion but happens to have a couple different opinions than you.

Guss: I never said I was against consoles. I have a Wii and PS3... but facts are facts.

A mouse is more accurate than a controller.... is the deal. Never said controllers were bad, never said consoles 'svcked', (which would be odd for me to say, owning a PS3 and Wii) just that if you want more control in your games, you are going to prefer a mouse.

Controller is if you don't care about precision and just want to kick back on a couch.
im sorry if i didnt make myself entirely clear.

I do agree that the mouse, in my opinion also, is more precise, i have no argument with what you state, facts are facts, my point to you was why would you say that some people prefer to use a controller, (WICH IS ODD), my only point to you is that this use of a controller is not ODD at all to the user, a statement like this provokes retaliation from the console users.


I have never felt the need to put anyone on the iggy list, so that puts me out for that round, but i feel as if I am once again defending my statement and being drawn into some conflict that is the verses war, so by tradition, i withdraw from this situation, while i respect your opinion, and infact agree with your main point, i still feel that the your subtle dig could have been ommited.


The use of a controller cant be that odd if you use one yourself.

Guss

I think he meant: using a controller for First Person Shooters.
If you have the option to use a mouse+ keyboard combination its obviously the better choice.So using a controller instead.. that is what i also would call "odd"

?hm.. by the way... it has been said that mouse and keyboard can be used with a ps3.
But even if the console technically supports it.. the games "mostly" dont.
(With "mostly" i mean almost none)
And the few i know that work..the mouse scrolling is hilariously bad.
So consoles really arent ment to be played with keyboard and mouse..not even nowadays.

RE: the "generation ahead" comment, i wonder if it's being taken the wrong way? It makes sense to me that PC's would be "one generation ahead" if you were considering it from a console perspective, not a PC hardware perspective. I interpret it as otherwise suggesting that there could've been the next generation of consoles released in this time.

i.e; PS3 and 360 are 7th generation consoles. I interpret what Cevat is saying as current PC's are already in front of what 8th generation consoles could achieve. I could be totally wrong but i don't believe he's refering to generations of PC's (cpu's, gpu's, etc) as we've obviously gone further than just one hardware generation of PC hardware since 2005. We've gone through several hardware generations in just GPU's in the last 5 years. The 360 GPU is based off the ATi X1900, you've then got the 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 and now 6000 series GPU's. nVidia has had a similar run since the 7800 series (closest resemblance of the PS3's RSX would be a 7800GTX), being the 8000, 9000, 200, 400 and now 500 series.

Then again, perhaps he's referring to generations as a power level, not of physical hardware changes. Does a PC game look six times better than a PS3 or 360 game? Not at all. I'd struggle to suggest they look even twice as good in some cases (how many PC racing games stand up visually to the likes of GT5 or even Forza3?). That's not to suggest PC's don't have the physical hardware capability to be five times better, i'm just not seeing it; and i guess that was Cevat's point

RE: the "generation ahead" comment, i wonder if it's being taken the wrong way? It makes sense to me that PC's would be "one generation ahead" if you were considering it from a console perspective, not a PC hardware perspective. I interpret it as otherwise suggesting that there could've been the next generation of consoles released in this time.

i.e; PS3 and 360 are 7th generation consoles. I interpret what Cevat is saying as current PC's are already in front of what 8th generation consoles could achieve. I could be totally wrong but i don't believe he's refering to generations of PC's (cpu's, gpu's, etc) as we've obviously gone further than just one hardware generation of PC hardware since 2005. We've gone through several hardware generations in just GPU's in the last 5 years. The 360 GPU is based off the ATi X1900, you've then got the 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 and now 6000 series GPU's. nVidia has had a similar run since the 7800 series (closest resemblance of the PS3's RSX would be a 7800GTX), being the 8000, 9000, 200, 400 and now 500 series.

Then again, perhaps he's referring to generations as a power level, not of physical hardware changes. Does a PC game look six times better than a PS3 or 360 game? Not at all. I'd struggle to suggest they look even twice as good in some cases (how many PC racing games stand up visually to the likes of GT5 or even Forza3?). That's not to suggest PC's don't have the physical hardware capability to be five times better, i'm just not seeing it; and i guess that was Cevat's point

Simply Epic, and mind blowing to read. Great post!
I think someone important might see the same way for this point of yours too.

@ Shin

Okay.. sounds logical to me. I would even go one step further and say some high end Pcs are even faster than the upcoming Ps4 and Xbox 720. ( just take a look at this beast; http://www.xmx.de/shop/product_info.php?products_id=3714 and you know what i mean) [It has a Intel CPU with 6 cores overclocked to 4GHZ each with 12GB of RAM and 2X gtx 480 holy freaking crap! ]

But besides... Why is chevat suddenly "defending" the Pc as a gameplatform?
After all the ; Look at the great console versions of Crysis 2 promotion?

-Is it because he must justify Crysis 2 PC is looking more than twice as good as the console versions?
-Or because of the consoles slowing down the evolution, crysis 2 PC will just be slightly better than the console versions?

Only because the console gamers get buttered up doesnt mean Pc gamers dont want the same treatment

@ Shin

Okay.. sounds logical to me. I would even go one step further and say some high end Pcs are even faster than the upcoming Ps4 and Xbox 720. ( just take a look at this beast; http://www.xmx.de/shop/product_info.php?products_id=3714 and you know what i mean) [It has a Intel CPU with 6 cores overclocked to 4GHZ each with 12GB of RAM and 2X gtx 480 holy freaking crap! ]

But besides... Why is chevat suddenly "defending" the Pc as a gameplatform?
After all the ; Look at the great console versions of Crysis 2 promotion?

-Is it because he must justify Crysis 2 PC is looking more than twice as good as the console versions?
-Or because of the consoles slowing down the evolution, Crysis 2 PC will just be slightly better than the console versions?

Only because the console gamers get buttered up doesnt mean Pc gamers dont want the same treatment

I can't / nor have the right to speak for Mr. Cevat Yerli, but I think what he's trying to say is that Pc's are not going to be left behind in this generation of consoles at all.

Yes, the consoles of this gen. have been given access to Crysis for the 1st time, and it may seem a bit harsh to the original audience. But it was a necessary change.

I love this thread, drama feeds my troll essence container.

Simple: PC>Console in quality.

@vstef96

If this would be a simple flamewar-thread.. Shin or one of the others would have closed it already.

I think its more of an attempt to look at some specific points of the multiplatform release of Crysis 2 "without" causing a flamewar at all. And of course to discuss why some guys on the internet must always start flamewars.
( by defending their opinions to death and ignoring others argumentations and facts)

Any clash of opinions feeds my troll essence container, it will unleash and bring armageddon when it is full.

There are always flamewars because there are too many little kids in possession of games with an age rating higher than their age.

Any clash of opinions feeds my troll essence container, it will unleash and bring armageddon when it is full.

There are always flamewars because there are too many little kids in possession of games with an age rating higher than their age.
This post isn't helping your cause at all. You're the only one here attempting to drag this topic off its rails. Try and contribute to the conversation instead of attempting to force its demise.

What do you think I am trying to do?

I would believe he thinks you are trying to:
...attempting to force its demise.

For the most part.

This post has been very constructive, and has raised some very valid points, on all sides, i would not wish to make my preference seem better than any other, its what i like to play all my games on, and i am comfy with, it would be sad to see it get derailed at this point.

Hope we can continue it in a reasonable fashion folks, its easy to flam, but harder to accept that other peoples opinions dont weaken or change your own.

i have read some interesting ideas, and facts here, and i can take them on board, and still have my own opinion, can you all do the same without taking offence, there are exeptions, thats a forum fact, but on the whole a dam good post, keep it coming, with links, lol.

Guss,