..is still raging on. Iam not speaking of this forum in particular but all over the internet.
Man i could tell you guys about some threads in a few Ps3 and Xbox Fanforums...
It has never been this bad before. And all because of one multiplatform title that is being awaited to show everybody in the whole wide world how much potential the PS3/XBOX360/PC really has. Every statement from Crytek in the past is put on a golden libra. Things like: "Crysis 1 is technically [still] not possible on consoles.
and : We get slightly more performance out of the Ps3. Or the Pc Version will look the best. But things like : We try to deliver the best performance for every platform.. is overhead by a raging crowd of flamers, begging for an answer to who is the best.
In some way i think Crytek awaited this kind of flamewar for Crysis 2 among the platform-fan-crowd. Its really good advertisment for a game that hasnt gone gold yet.
But rational people could have a clue what Crytek is cooking with Crysis 2.
I dont think it will unite the different gamers but split them further apart.
Crysis 1 by its time was like an insult to the console community... a pc only game with grfx from outer space. Almost exactly coming out one year after the Ps3 hit the market and being promoted as the non plus ultra. Many keen consoleros started to nip pick Crysis for its rather weak story and gameplay but most of them havent even played this ( in fact) really outstanding Ego Shooter. And even yet 3 years later, there is no game on any platform that could hold up to Crysis. ( Only Warhead and maybe with a bit of distance Far Cry 2).At first some magz rumored about Crysis 1 on consoles..but Mr Yerlis dementi must have been like a slap in the face..not possible on consoles? But we have the cell etc. how could this be possible? In fact even nowadays Pcs can hardly max out Crysis ... it was way ahead of its time.
Only to be truly maxed out be the high end hardware of tommorow.
For Pc gamers this isnt an unknown scenario.. taklin about Morrowind or Oblivion.

But enough of this...
So what do you guys think?
Is this console vs. console. vs Pc scenario a calculated marketing boost or just a unwanted side effect?
Will console and Pc gamers accept the differences between the versions without causing further flame wars?
Will consoleros and Pc,lers finally live in peace ?

So what do you guys think?
Is this console vs. console. vs Pc scenario a calculated marketing boost or just a unwanted side effect?
Will console and Pc gamers accept the differences between the versions without causing further flame wars?
Will consoleros and Pc,lers finally live in peace ?

In my opinion they expected it but they didn't want to boost their marketing by it rather than simply satisfy a wider audience.
For your second and third question I say No Chance In Hell but I don't wanna start a flame war myself so I'm not gonna get into details!
Other than that you just said almost everything one could mention.

Oh i found something interesting for the console vs console topic:

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Gamasutra:What would you cite as the major performance differences between PS3 and 360? I’ve heard a lot of opinions.

Cevat Yerli: I mean essentially the game we run is about the same. Probably one’s stronger on the GPU side, one’s stronger on the CPU side, so depending on what you’re doing where, the PS3 does perform here sometimes better, the 360 performs other things better, but overall by the time the game ships it’ll be absolutely the same.
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So if any console gamer was hoping for the ps3 version to look "way " better than the xbox version. This is bad news. But only if you wanted C2 on Ps3 to beat the xbox

the full interview is on:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/23888/Interview_Cryteks_Yerli_EAPs_Demartini_On_Console_Crysis_2_Without_Compromise.php

Its rather old but some topics there lead to general info. So its no so outdated i think.

Cevat Yerli recently did an interview on the PC, i think it quite concise on the reality of platform hardware and the the way Crytek views the PC port. "PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks,"

"I generally think it's still developers' mentality [to blame]. A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game."

Nothing new there for anyone not living under a rock though, at least crytek isn't worried about trying to butter up PC gamers anymore and just acknowledge they get the short end of the stick when it comes to Crysis2

Article link:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=277729

For a platform war, the first side to rise was Ms. Xbox 360's. Now the PC and Ps3 users are feeling some isolation.
They promised, the Pc users a greater experience for Crysis 2? What happened?

As stated above:
"Nothing new there for anyone not living under a rock though, at least crytek isn't worried about trying to butter up PC gamers anymore and just acknowledge they get the short end of the stick when it comes to Crysis2 "

Now that leaves some nerve wrecking concern.

I think the console-war marketing is unintentional.
You don't bother with things that arn't reliable, and you can't depend on the game selling itself.
I think they're just genuinely just trying to say the game has good graphics, with the side effect of self-marketing.

The whole console-war thing is just people trying to justify their console purchase by convincing themselves they made the superior choice.
The truth is; you pay for your platform of choice (or steal?) based on your preferences and knowledge of the systems.
If you got what you wanted then that should be the end of it - good for you!
But ignorance progresses over common sense in most people.

Although I can understand the PC players being mad because they're no longer getting what they payed for.
But there's not really anything that can be done about it, and getting mad doesn't help.
Unless you're in Fight Club, of course. They say "you don't talk about Fight Club", but I'm not you so it's okay

I just like how the 'pc gaming isn't as much of a concern' is only said by developers who haven't been paying attention (well, crytek got burnt by negative 'zomg i can't run it maxed' which was already addressed in a post by me on how stupid such whiners are). On the other hand you have developers like DICE who used the statistics from bad company 2 to PROVE that PC gaming has just as many players as the other platforms.

It's only because sales are only measured by retail boxed shifted, and not digital purchases PC gaming is bigger than ever! There's more steam users than xbl users for example, and that's only a fraction of the market.

There's more steam users than xbl users for example, and that's only a fraction of the market.

That's because you get full access to Steam for free

But you don't need steam to play on the PC, (although strictly true for xbl, you cannot play online without signing up) for all but a few games and there are approximately a minimum of at least 100 million PC gamers worldwide, with a more realistic estimate of closer to 200 million based of hardware sales for gaming usage. It just goes to show that the audience is there, just not necessarily going to eat up the tepid crap released most of the time.

Facts are facts, and the facts are that the PC platform is a juggernaught, but one that is never revealed as such as there is no sugar daddy running the show and focusing the spotlight. Combined with digital distribution it gets a lot harder to get real evidence without actually looking beyond simple news sites like ign.

However, have a look at the actual revenue of companies such as EA, take two, THQ and activision then combine them. With call of duty included, the PC sneaks ahead of every platform by a few dozen million. Without cod, PC generates more revenue yearly than the wii, 360 and ps3 put together.


This is quoted off a guy called mac from another similar thread a few weeks back on another forum, the values can be verified if you google:

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Electronics Arts

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $868
PS3 – $771
Wii – $570
PC – $687

As you can see the PC made even more net revenue then the Wii did. It’s within shooting range of the PS3.

Activision Blizzard

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $857
PS3 – $584
Wii – $584
PC – $1.412

It should be noted that this is the Report of 2009, all other publisher reports are from 2010, the one for activision 2010 isn’t released yet. So it doesn’t include Starcraft 2, but it does include Modern Warfare 2. As you can see WoW is hard at work. The money generated by WoW alone dwarfs any other platform by far.

Also MW2 had a huge impact on the console net revenue, boosting it considerably. For comparisson here are the 2008 numbers that don’t include MW2:

Xbox360 – $362
PS3 – $241
Wii – $407
PC – $1.251

Without a mega release like MW2 the WoW/PC revenue alone surpasses that of ALL consoles combined.

Take Two Interactive

Net revenue by platform

Xbox360 – $171
PS3 – $155
Wii – $5
PC – $10

That’s Red Dead Redemption hard at work, which didn’t get a PC release.
The PC once again generated more net revenue then the Wii did.
Without such a mega seller the platforms are way closer to each other. For comparisson reasons here are the numbers from 2009 where no huge console exclusive title like RDR got released.

Xbox360 – $30
PS3 – $11
Wii – $15
PC – $13

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Something that is definitely interesting is that the PC version of mw2 takes up about 20-25% of the revenue, a far cry from the claimed 5% sales on the PC platform, which just shows how much of the PC is digital distrbituion.

no offense comfy chair but what that quote basically reads is games similar to, or perhaps even considered 'competitors' to Crysis 2 sell fantasticly well on console, and the games that do the best on PC are ones that are not really available on console (WOW).

There's definitely a big market on the PC, but it's pretty game specific, it used to be a very clear sports/platform games on console, strategy/fps on PC, but with FPS games transitioning to consoles now things have changed some what.

Of course with that said Crytek has a rich history in PC gaming, recognizes the strength of PC gaming, and we have no intention to neglect it in any way with the release of Crysis 2.

This is quoted off a guy called mac from another similar thread a few weeks back on another forum, the values can be verified if you google:

"a guy called mac ???" This made me LOL.
Maybe the numbers are correct no offense.

There is only a 'war' if you can call it that way in the first place, if you want it to be. In the end we all have the same interrest and that is gaming. Maybe we should find a number of all gamers in the world.

no offense comfy chair but what that quote basically reads is games similar to, or perhaps even considered 'competitors' to Crysis 2 sell fantasticly well on console, and the games that do the best on PC are ones that are not really available on console (WOW).

There's definitely a big market on the PC, but it's pretty game specific, it used to be a very clear sports/platform games on console, strategy/fps on PC, but with FPS games transitioning to consoles now things have changed some what.

Of course with that said Crytek has a rich history in PC gaming, recognizes the strength of PC gaming, and we have no intention to neglect it in any way with the release of Crysis 2.

Indeed, fps games have changed to the mainstream far more lately as people like explosions And again indeed the strongest market on the console are these explosion ridden games, mainly driven by that the console market is saturated by those who are actually technically too young to buy these games. I guarentee that 70% of the revenue from bad company 2, modern warfare 2 and inevitably crysis 2 on console will be from those not legally old enough to buy the game. Do i personally care? no. But i will say it's the reason why shoot 'em ups do better on console in terms of numbers sold. Kids can't use gaming PCs well enough in general.

If the governments across the world became extremely tough on age ratings, we'd actually see console fps sales crash!

Still, it should be very obvious that the PC has around equal share in most games, with cod being mainly console with still quite a good showing (1/4-1/3rd depending on game) on PC's. Now, considering that these shares in the case of games such as crysis 2, bad company 2 and modern warfare tend to add up to quite a large amount of revenue it's a little annoying when people, and cryteks CEO is one of the worst for this, come along saying (or implying heavily while stroking a 360) 'zomg pc gaming is not important'. I like what crytek do, but your CEO iis on a one man mission to talk down the PC platform after crysis didn't sell massively instead of just hugely.

Also, indeed lol at my 'guy called mac' reference, i couldn't be bothered with hunting down the links for the data, since i didn't have the time But i though i may as well give some credit, no matter how vague, to the dude who did the digging that brought it to my attention originally. I didn't expect it to be compelling for anyone with their head in the sand, but some quick research of your own will proove the point

To my war of platforms it looks like to me a bilge.

The one who wants it was playing in console, and the one who wants it was playing in computer.

Not because many people, of other forums, say that the version of consoles is pathetic and very bad. It is not going to be so good as a computer, but it will not be so bad either.

What I believe is that the users of PC have begun this war. I even did not see a forum in the one that was said"
The version of consoles will be better " or " The version for PC is bad ".

In general the users of console it is not in the habit of getting into these topics, due to the fact that to them they are not interested to get into a war of platforms into that the majority of people ends up by insulting other users. To them (I include myself) only it is important to him for them to entertain and to spend a good moment not to discuss.

Regards:D

@ Dany_naron

On what forums are you on?
Only "over 18 " proof?
As it has been said before. A lot of console gamers are at a young age. So the forums are full of fan- kids.
And if you ever tried to argue or to have a educated converation with a kid..this could lead to depression my friend. ( at least when the kids are not on the school for the specially gifted or something)
The "original " flame war started in the early 80s with Atari gamers fighting calico/Intelli vision fans
The video game nerd (AVGN) called this the "bit" wars. 8 bit vs 16 Bit... continuing in Sega vs. Nintendo...usw..
Until the Pc rised up as a gaming platform in the early 90s.
So even before the internet (as we know it) there was a console war. Long before Pcs became popular for gaming.
So i must give ya a clear: "not true".. to your PC Gamers started the flamewar statement

Just throwing this into the mix...

The typical gamer profile from Nielsen's report was not surprising: the majority were male (77.1 percent), but with a fair amount of diversity in age. 75.8 percent of boys—12.9 million—age two through 11 in TV households gamed on a console at home for at least one minute in the fourth quarter of 2006 (the average time spent on a console for that age group was 2 hours and 30 minutes per day, however). From the male 18-34 age group, almost half—16.1 million (corrected)—used a console, with an average of 2 hours and 43 minutes of game play per day. However, consoles were also fairly popular among certain other demographics, with 11.5 million females between 18 and 34 gaming and 10.1 million females from 2 to 11. Even the 50+ crowd isn't afraid to get their game on, with 50+ females out-gaming their male counterparts with 3.9 million gamers, compared to the males' 3.5 million number. Nielsen's data unfortunately does not indicate what types of games each group favored. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2007/03/console-gaming-growing-in-popularity-among-all-ages.ars

When comparing today’s industry climate with that of 20 years ago, women and many advlts are more inclined to be using products in the industry. While the market for teen and young advlt men is still a strong market, it is the other demographics which are posting significant growth. In 2008, the average American gamer has been playing for 12 years, and is now, on average, 35 years of age. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game#Demographics

HE he ..."dont trust any statistic you didnt fake yourself"
-Winston Churchill

But seriously.. show me any serious statistic that proofs 12-18 year olds own more high end Pcs than 20-45 year olds. Its just the same with (real) property or cars ( okay.. kids dont have a drivers licence..but they could theoretically "own" a car )

Of course with that said Crytek has a rich history in PC gaming, recognizes the strength of PC gaming, and we have no intention to neglect it in any way with the release of Crysis 2.

This is what I wanted to hear, from the Dev's. Something to keep the mind at ease.

Neilson's data unfortunately does not indicate what types of games each group favored
Farmville is on consoles now??

I don't have to argue over which system is best as between my son, my wife and myself we have one of each.

DO YOU CONSOLE-FAILS HAVE A MOTHER%@%#%@ING TRAIN SIMULATOR?
WOOOO-YEEEAAAHHHH, %@%$ERS!
Ahem. Indeed. Both consoles and PCs have their pros and cons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_Simulator_series#Railfan_.282006.7E2007.29

and

http://www.oxm.co.uk/game.php?id=9965
A-Train HX
The most confusing train wreck of a game ever

... It's the thought that counts...

So, here we go again.

The very reason I dont vist the forum as much as i would like to, v wars, why ?? becuase someone wishes to make a point to someone else about something, it is a matter for personal belief, what platform you gamers use, and why you prefer it.

Thats the Keyword, preference !!, i dont think it has much to do with what is best, its just and no more than a prefefrence, but that preference has to be validated to others, I have said many times before in this forum, I own a pc, i like to tinker around with it, and get the best from it.

My Son owns an Eggbox and has no distaste for the name i give to it, its his preference, and we dont object or argue about our different tastes in platform, indeed, he at times has used my platform and i his, it doesn't matter one iota to us who has the best platform, just so long as we are happy to play games.

Some of the latest releases are great titles, and it would be far more constructive for flamwar gamers to spend more quality gametime on these titles than to speand merciless hours trawling the net for proof that they have the better end of the deal.

You know what, !! the better end of the deal is this, !!

Buy a game you think you will get real game time from, for whatever platform you prefer, load it up and enjoy the whole purpose of gaming, take your frustrations out on the game if need be and play your little hearts out till you drop from exhuastion.

I belong to the over 50 gang so can relate to the earlier suggestion that the wars started some ways back, its a fact and i was around to see it and can verify it, but by the same token i can also say even then though it was a much smaller war by comparison it was something i refused to take part in.


You see, the point is,,, i am smart enough to make my own choices and do so, no matter what other people think, and I have not been dissapointed so far in my choices and cannot be steered away, this is because I accept my Sons choice and the choice all you happy gamers have made so long as you enjoy the DAMM GAME.

Now the Big Question is, are you smart enough and can you all be happy with whatever platform and game your running without being dragged down into the misery that is flamwars?????

PC is better than consoles literally in terms of technology.

That's all PC gamers try to get at, and the fact that a mouse provides more precise tracking than a small thumb stick is also true.

They're not really non-debatable points... they're facts. Now, sure; someone might not prefer having so much precision and stick to a controller (which is... odd), but that doesn't change the fact that a mouse is technically better at tracking coordinates across a screen than a thumb stick is, since a mouse is faster and more precise.

Though, I would stand with Pc's till the end, the consoles aren't completely without cons.

Because the Pc has precision and adaptability, while consoles just change every 5 years.

PC is better than consoles literally in terms of technology.

That's all PC gamers try to get at, and the fact that a mouse provides more precise tracking than a small thumb stick is also true.

They're not really non-debatable points... they're facts. Now, sure; someone might not prefer having so much precision and stick to a controller (which is... odd), but that doesn't change the fact that a mouse is technically better at tracking coordinates across a screen than a thumb stick is, since a mouse is faster and more precise.
Now that point is part of the problem that angers some people, whats so odd about having a preference to using a controller than a mouse, little digs like that provoke responses, its not odd to the user,its preference, nothing more,, nothing less,, i dont understand the need to call console users odd.. who prefer the controller over mouse, my Son is not in any way ODD, he is only in it for gaming, i use his console when i can, am I also odd, its bound to provoke a bad response saying that, yes i am more comfy with the precision of a mouse, its my preference, as the controller is my sons preference, we make ouir choices and we are comfy with it, and NOT ONE single console user is ODD with that kind of preference.

Yes you have a valid point in that the mouse is far more precise, that doesnt make console users ODD with thier preference, granted you only make a small (DIG ) at the consoles, but its part of a mountain that is Verses wars. I really do wish this could end and all gamers would do whats intended with these variouse platforms, and that is,

PLAY THE DANG GAMES,

I am still looking forward to the release of Crysis 2, but the attitude of some gamers is making online gaming very hard indeed.

Guss