^ Sorry but I don't like poeple defending Beth on a issue that they are clearly gulity on. Anyway back to your topic yes I think that they should realese key features if the full DLC can't work but to make it fair we should pay for them and it better be a fair price.

Scroll down the page, go to the end of it and read right corner. ''Games for Windows/XBOX 360./XBOX LIVE/BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS/Bethesda'' Do anyone read ''Sony Playstation 3'' or at least ''Sony''? No, may be a hint of what's really going on?

Honestly for the way Bethesda has neglected and treated the ps3 group there ought to be some freebie penance going on. Like fix the world corrunption issues that have existed since lanch and still do, dawguard? or parts of it and whatever else is coming. Then we ps3 people that bought our skyrim at launch and were shafted will get this compilation deal for nothing more than simply handing over our current copy. I think that's fair for how we've been treated since release. I'm pretty sure most ps3 player would agree this is not the way you treat the customer, and honestly some of the bugs at release should have ben fixed well before release( that's what alpha and beta testing is for!) Some games a little ways back had 3 or more rounds of beta testing before actual release. If you have to wait to get a perfect game at release than that's fine by me. This release with bugs and patch like crazy is the kind of thing that is getting out of control. I think Bethesda is one of the best game companys out there, but they need to get there act together.

If Dawnguard was to come out soon I'd buy it only if it was at a reduced price and/or part of a bundle with Hearthfire - I think that's only fair considering the lies Bethesda has fed PS3 users from the start - but if it and other DLCs are not released soon I REFUSE to pay for whatever scraps they decide to throw down from the table to placate us. They owe us.

^ I 100% agree mate. But at the same time I will feel a little bad because the Xbox and PC had to pay full price for both DLC. I want everyone to be equal to each other.

But neither Xbox or PC users were treated as badly as PS3 users were. Look I don't think we'll ever get the DLCs on the PS3* which really only leaves the possibility of smaller add-on content (like Dragon Bone Weapons, Arrow Crafting, etc.) open to Bethesda if they want to save some face. The thing is I don't think such add-ons - which I really would regard as mere crumbs left over from the feast offered to Xbox and PC users - are not worth paying money for. You also have to take into account that when buying Skyrim, PS3 users paid just as much as Xbox/PC users did for the game and did so on the promise that DLCs would be available to all platforms. Turns out now that wasn't true. We paid more for less; getting a buggy almost unplayable game, no available DLCs, and really, really bad customer support. We were sold a stinker and expecting some sort of monetary compensation, even if it's just a reduction on the cost of further products, is not unreasonable.

*I think someone mentioned (I can't remember whether it was in this thread or not) the possibility of a swap system if Dawnguard/Hearthfire were to be released as part of a GOTY edition: the idea was, I think, that PS3 users should be able to swap their old copies of Skyrim for the GOTY version and only have to pay the cost of the Dawnguard/Hearthfire DLCs. I think that could be a reasonable compromise (although I still think even that cost should be reduced).

^ Ya but thats just me and what ever makes you happy mate.

That's ridiculous. Are you seriously saying we should have expected a company to lie to us and screw us over and should have been smart enough to buy an xbox instead? Seriously?

Time is worth more than money. Is it unfair that someone who bought a game on release day for $60 costs less months later?

Good things come to those who wait, and DG should come to PS3 with a discount and/or free Hearthfire.

^ Ya but thats just me and what ever makes you happy mate.

anywho, bethesda isn't going to give ANYTHING most likely. Fair or not, that's what they'll most likely decide.

The DLC based off of the last PS3 update actually may not come out. So, PS3 may get nothing at all.

There lies a simple solution really. Have whoever made the PS3 port of Oblivion, make the DLC for Skyrim. Win for everyone.

can't. its too late my friend, and probably also the reason the PS3 never got all the DLC.

I speculate that when 4j made the PS3 version they had to make some engine API breaking changes that were too much trouble to workaround for Bethesda. Those changes were obviously reverted before FO3 development, FONV and now Skyrim.

The product is just broken and shipping the DLC off to get fixed into the broken product doesn't make the product any less broken.

I don't think its a great leap to say their design is too flawed to allow for the type of 3rd person animations imbued by the vampire lord. Additionally the engine memory leaks are not really getting any better. There isn't any improved time-to-crash for the PS3 since release. The game can hang pretty easily inside of 1-2 hours gameplay still. And we can pretty reliably induce SkyLag in many places throughout the world.

This is by far the worst offering from Bethesda ever - and almost ten months after release they are all of the sudden going to drop their buddies (Microsoft) and dedicate special resources to a customer base they saw fit to release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3gWvxHWFuI to without a moments pause? I really doubt it.

Bethesda and Zenimax employees simply lack a lot of basic ideas about moral and ethical business practices.

And before people get all high and mighty about 'oh its not the poor developers fault its the business people'. Those devs are cashing checks knowing even better than the execs or us customers how jacked up things are - this makes them every bit as culpable as Todd Howard and the nameless execs touting the 'release broken, patch later' mentality.


Yeah, #1 for me would still be that they fix the missed input events in the vanilla game. Too many button presses are missed already, and now since 1.7 the sticks also do it.

Only thing I could give a rats ass about in DG is the barber. Really aggravated we got mounted combat and more crappy kill cams but they wrapped the BARBER into the DLC.

whoa.. I just noticed this - they used to have a PS3 symbol there. wtf bethesda?

ahh, nevermind. I looked again, there is no 'games for windows' either. But they all appear at the top-level Skyrim forum. Probably they aren't allowed to put the PS3 icon unless the content is actually certified for it.

It's PS3 internal memory that's joking on Skyrim <-- Choking

I believe that team refused. Not 100% sure on that but maybe they had another project they agreed to work with.

Either way that's a lot of money I bet, probably wouldn't even out to how much they'd make from the PS3 community.


why wouldn't windows be there then?

Why won't my square block fit in the circle hole!??!!?!?

Maybe not now that most PS3 gamers are quite angry....if they had dones so prior...they could have made it.

I disagree. Neither system is flawed. Bethesda can't seem to get a game right for the PS3. Others can. Don't get me wrong, I'm no really devoted fan of either system (I own both, and am very happy with them both), but if Beth can't get their marquee games right for the PS3, they should stop releasing them on the PS3. I will never, ever buy a Beth game for the PS3 for that reason.

It's beyond a joke. Their games end up unplayable, and frankly, not fit for sale on that platform. Hard to see how it's NOT Beths fault.

@Barnaby. Why produce a square block in the 1st place if it is a circle hotel... Lol

I don't think any special changes were needed. Oblivion probably just ran better simply because the game itself is a lot less complex than Fallout 3 and the newer games.

From what I have read from all the forums I think Beth should just hand the code over to who ever ported Oblivion, pay the money and be done with it. Might take a while, but I would be willing to wait for a semi-polished version.

I got my copy on midnight release.. i remember walking to the riverwood and there were guards and chickens spinning in the ground.. Now you can't tell me they didn't see that on testing. I ran into it in the first 20mins of playing.

I agree skyrim is a complicated game, but they have had more then enough time to get it right.

We already have a Dawnguard PS3 thread here; http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1408933-ps3-release-for-dawnguard-thread-16/