Funny thing about Morrowind... Someone just bought a copy of my Morrowind game for $30. Lol.

So how much is it on Steam? I'm a little curious.

It's $19.99 for the digital version on Steam and for the physical version on Amazon.

Unless you mean the Xbox version, that's usually more expensive.

I sold me Xbox version of Morrowind. I will never sell me PC version of it

Yes, I meant the sales on Steam. The full price games are usually comparable with the retail version, but when there's a sale you can save a lot more. For instance, Deus Ex: Human Revolution is currently on sale most places right now for between $15 - $20. It is regularly $40 or more. However, I purchased it and all the DLC for less than $14 on Steam yesterday during a 75% off sale. It's still 50% off, which is a pretty good deal too.

Bad news for Sim City 5

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/28/simcity-to-be-crippled-by-always-on-lets-change-this/

While I haven't any interest in SimCity, I can say that this is one of those DRM features that probably would succeed it preventing me from purchasing a game. There are so many things that can go wrong with such a setup, not the least of which are connection problems at the source or financial problems that force you to cut your internet temporarily.

*sigh*

Why can't EA accept the fact that some gamers just don't care about the multiplayer features. I don't want a global economy, I want my economy in my city.

I mean obviously it's a DRM scheme in disguise, but all it's going to do is make them lose sales, especially when trying to appeal to fans of an older series like this.

I have older games that I took off my computer when I had problems playing the games because of their drm. I have noticed that some of those games are being sold on Steam. If I buy them on Steam, will they still have the original drm as well as Steam?

Probably. I have GTAV on Steam, and it still makes me sign into GFWL as well.

Darn. Most of the things Steam comes with, I have no interest in, this would have been nice.

The global handlers are pushing us into this, whether we like it or not. One world order with all its glory... *shudder*

Wait... so the secret ruling authority of the world is suppressing us into submittion by... *cough* ...by forcing us to play our video games online?

I wonder what they are thinking, because I think playing with others can be fun for a while (that is, if you run into the right people) but it can only end in disaster.

The way I see it is that players will constantly border ghost towns of people who are no longer playing (regularly). Why create a dependency on other players without providing a single-player experience to fall back onto once that community starts to shrink? Then again I haven't really followed all the news regarding this game so I might have misunderstood how the game is going to function.

Didn't the citiesXL series had an online-only game? One that didn't do all that well?

i could probably start a thread, but..

so, the otther day i had this idea.

lets say im microsoft and im doing business with a company and i catch an employee of that business pirating my software, i (ms) should be able to ask that company to discipline that employee for interfering in my (ms) business

makes sense?

not that I think this post will make a difference but anyway why not release a patch now that removes the drm from skyrim?

why do it now?

• most people that wanted the game have already purchased it.
  
• the "new" has worn off.
  
• generate additional sales from people currently boycotting because of drm. (assuming they are willing to go through steam for the initial install)
  
• make good with fans you annoyed by going the drm route.
  
• patch still requires the game be initially installed/downloaded via steam so the second hand version of this game on pc is still dead. ( the real goal? )
  
• the game protection was not needed and was circumvented before the game even had an official release.

I read you guys removed the drm by accident with v1.2 (Ithink?) before swiftly correcting it so this can be done probably an api / compiler flag on your side ?

tldr? please consider patching out the drm.

~Thank you

ps:want to know what happened to my oblivion ? I donated it to charity and purchased the game of the year edition that is currently still sitting on my shelf, not all second hand games are bad or lost sales.
(not sure if this was the right thread to post in but I was liked from another so whatever)

DRM is a failure, one day I hope Publishers will realize that. The Pirates will always have the superior copies, even the ones that use Steam. I shouldn't need to use a 3rd party in order to play a game I legitimately bought.

Shadowstripe that would hurt sales for the next game, as the anti drm people will not purchase it until the patch for non drm for that game comes out.

pokoyo you could argue the anti drm people wouldn't purchase the next game anyway if it has drm but it is still a good point to bring up

Or they could just not have the DRM to begin with, that's the best solution for everyone.

But god forbid they think of the gamers rather than their profits, eh?

Steam is great! I can buy all my games digitally from it, they fly onto my machine at 2.8mb/s with my fibre optic internet line. I dont miss the 27kb of power it requires in the background while I'm gaming, my rig well exceeds the requirements. Patches are given to me without having to hunt around for them or get them off some shady mirror. DLC's are available and loaded right in. Games go on sale for rediculously low costs if you have a modicum of patience.

While you're certainly entitled to draw a line in the sand and not buy games because of the ethics of drm, you're fighting a losing battle and are/will be missing out on some great videogames. My best advice is to not take your videogaming so seriously.

DRM is here to stay and I dont think steam is that big of a deal. It uses 50mb of ram on my system and runs in the background. The only thing I dont like about steam is you need a internet conection to play your games offline which makes no sense. You have to put steam in offline mode while your still hooked up to the internet and then you can go offline. I have been screwed in the past because my internet went down and I couldnt play any steam games because I need a internet connection because I did not put it in offline before my internet went down.

Greg

Good advice too. While many view the emergence of advanced DRM as ultimately hurting the consumer, those who view it as a sign of the coming apocalypse of mankind really make me wonder about their mental health. It's nothing new for companies to try to protect and maximize their profits. It's also nothing new for the steps they take to straddle the lines of ethics. In the end, video games are a luxury item, meaning that if they go too far they can lose. Compare this to businesses that provide commodities, and you'll see just how mundane DRM really is.

It's not really about the gaming, specifically, being taken so seriously. If someone objects to a premise or concept, deciding "well, I'll ignore my ethics here since it'll be convenient to me" is doing a rather terrible job of standing up for your position, and kind of missing the point of the whole thing.

As far as I know, they fixed that a while back.

Pretty much. I won't refuse to buy a game that's exclusive to Steam (yet), but I respect the people who make that sacrifice instead of going along with something they don't agree with.

It's only a losing battle once people stop fighting.

but it isn't really protection is it ? more like red tape to make investors happy in reality there is no proof it provides any protection whatsoever.

a good example of this was skyrim showing up on pirate websites on the 10th (or sooner) before the official release I also had my game on the 10th but mine came through the post sometime before 9am. want to know the difference between my version and the pirate version? I had to pay over ￡30 and wait 24hours before mine would even install, the pirates paid nothing and started playing soon as they had finished downloading. the drm protected nothing pirates were playing away while me as a paying customer ended up being bored and p!ssed off for supporting the developers (If I had preordered on console I would also have been able to play since it has no drm but Im not a big fan of consoles)

Im sure you mean mb not kb ? just to put that into perspective windows xp can boot on around 32 mb of ram.

Why do I need steam to hold my hand (running) through out the entire experience when clearly is doing nothing in offline mode and not even needed, you can even launch the game and "end task" on steam at the same time and the game will continue to run without it.